mississippi dually & cdl for personal use

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  1. gemniii

    gemniii Bobtail Member

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    Newbie here, and apology if this is the wrong forum.
    Did a search on Mississippi (Ms.) and nothing turned up.
    Situation -
    Retiring to Mississippi, want to get a dually and a 5'ver, have a 5K Hudson equipment trailer, which I tow my little Kubota 23hp tractor on.

    My brother-in-law (BIL) in Ms. has a GM dually and has been telling me that Ms. is about to enact a law that all duallies will require a CDL just for being a dually.

    Any confirmation to this rumor? It seems totally out of whack, but lawmakers do those things.

    My BIL is a medical Doctor who has a penchant for helping relatives transport "stuff" bought at auctions for personal use (furniture, farm equipment) and has been stopped a few times for looking like he needed a CDL. The BIL has always gotten out of it, but is concerned.

    I'm concerned because I don't want to dump 20 to 50K on a truck to find out I need to get a CDL just to drive my ride.

    thanks in advance (TIA).
     
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  3. High Desert Dweller

    High Desert Dweller Medium Load Member

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    The way the current rule is written (for all 50 states) is you need a class A for any vehicle combination where the unit being towed has GVWR over 10,000 lbs. If your trailer is rated at 5K then you don't need CDL.
     
  4. gemniii

    gemniii Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the reply, I was more wondering if anyone knew about potential legislation requiring a CDL for duallies..

    My BIL viewed it as a "Mississippi revenue enhancement procedure".
     
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  5. tmlonghorns

    tmlonghorns Light Load Member

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    It does not matter what legislation they pass requiring a CDL, they could make it so everyone driving a passanger has to have to a CDL and it still would not matter in this case.
    The reason.........the usage of the vehcile is for personal use only. If nothing on the vehicle is going to be sold, you are not getting paid to haul, or the load (tractor) will not be used to make money, no CDL is required. CDL is Commercial Drivers License and if you not doing anything commerically then you do not need a CDL.
    I know folks are going to jump in here and give there opinions and they will be just that, opinions. I have facts to back up this senario and drive a 19,000 LB Conventional truck with a sleeper pulling a 48' van drop deck with my horses that are not for sale and I am legal in every state. Been doing it for years and have had this dicussion so many times I don't care to even begin to try to count.
     
  6. Jimbo60

    Jimbo60 Medium Load Member

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    The simple way to do it then is quote some regs and show some proof ... because until then the legitamacy of your info is like most eveything else on the internet.

    ............Jim
     
  7. tmlonghorns

    tmlonghorns Light Load Member

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    WHAM with the right hand.....
    The following people do not need a CDL:
    Active Duty Military (including National Guard): With military licenses operating military vehicles.

    Police Officers and Firefighters: Meeting approved training standards and operating authorized emergency vehicles.

    Farmers: Operating vehicles within a 150 mile radius of their farm.
    • <LI style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FILTER: ; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; BOTTOM: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica">An F-endorsement is needed by farmers operating combination vehicles whose towing vehicle has a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more. A knowledge test, but no skills test, is required to obtain the F-endorsement.
    • However, farmers who carry hazardous materials in amounts requiring placarding while operating combination vehicles whose towing vehicle has a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more, or a single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more, need a CDL with a hazardous materials endorsement.
    Individuals: Operating motor homes or other vehicles used exclusively to transport personal possessions or family members, for non-business purposes.

    Take your pick for which state or federal requirement you want quoted on this. Plain and simple, individuals who use the vehicle for non business personal use do not require a cdl.​
     
  8. dieselbear

    dieselbear Road Train Member

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    Just to throw caution out there, there are some State's that require you to be licensed for the type of vehicle you are driving. In other words, you don't need a CDL if it's for personal use, but you made still need a Class A "Non Commercial" license.

    For example, Farmer Jim is driving a 2010 Chevrolet 3500 dually with a gross vehicle wreigt rating (GVWR) of 12500 lbs, pulling a goose neck trailer with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVRW) of 18000 lbs. The combination gross vehicle weight rating is 30,500 lbs. Farmer Jim in some State's requires a Class A "NON COMMERCIAL".

    This is where it varies with some States. For the diesel pusher RV's, some State's require a Class B non commercial if it's 26,001 lbs or more GVRW.
     
  9. thelastamericanhippy

    thelastamericanhippy Road Train Member

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    I kinda thought the cdl was going to be run by the feds, and all states would be the same.

    I need to stop dreaming...........

    it's all them drugs I did in the 1960's !!!!!!!!!!
     
  10. gemniii

    gemniii Bobtail Member

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    Thanks!
    After reading on this forum for two hours I figured if dieselbear knew anything about it he would chime in.

    Questions on that -
    If I drive from a state which doesn't require such, to a state which doesn't require such, but thru a state that DOES what's the rule?

    Any good summarizing link to that type reg for all the states? I'm not very concerned about driving thru Hawaii with my 5'ver, but I would like to revisit the other 49. And I can easily envision myself with a Ford dually/5'ver TH with a GCWR over the magic 13 tons.

    /edit - but again my main reason for the thread was to see if anyone could substantiate the rumor.
     
  11. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

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    Nothing in my area on this matter.

    However, you might need one. At least a Class B. Depending on the situation. See DieselBears post regarding this.

    Mississippi is very liberal with the treatment of "farm/personal" equipment usage. However, there are limits.

    You'll eventually have this discussion with the wrong person. And it will cost you a lot of money.

    Just as it cost the nice lady at the AZ scales with her "personal" horses. Using her personal truck (dually) and trailer. She didn't even know what a log book was. But she learned real quick.

    Jim, There are exceptions in MS. However, they are not extended to interstate transportation....farm equipment or not.

    Excellent advise for anyone.

    MS provides exceptions, within limits. But the majority of farm operations have at LEAST one Class CDL driver in their crews. Just for these matters.

    It's a hell of a lot cheaper to get the CDL. Than it is to pay the fines and tow bills, after the traffic stop.

    A Class B or C is hardly a mind boggling test. Especially if you're NOT hauling haz-mat.

    The deciding factor should be the total weight of the combined vehicles. If you meet those limits. Get the CDL.
     
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