Messed up logs

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  1. Joethemechanic

    Joethemechanic Medium Load Member

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    What is the proper thing to do when you mess up a page in a log book? Can all the copies be torn out? Do you have to write something on them like "void mistake"? And worse yet sometimes I finish work early in the day, fill out my paperwork and log with the rest of the day on line 1, and hand it all in, then get called in late at night on the same day for some "emergency job". Is there some way of filing an amended log???

    Boy I am full of questions today
     
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  3. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    If you make a mistake the best thing to do is void out the mistake log and fill out a better log sheet (the voided one keep in the log book, do NOT hand it into logs, unless your log sheets are #'d England's are (country))

    YOu are fine, mistakes HaPpEn:biggrin_2559:
     
  4. Joethemechanic

    Joethemechanic Medium Load Member

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    I mess them up a lot. Some days I am back and forth between lines 3 and 4 every 15 minutes. Not to mention I am doing them on top of my briefcase sitting on top of the steering wheel, with greasy hands, while talking on the Nextel, and watching in the mirror for somebody to signal me that they need me to move an inch or a foot or whatever.

    My carrier has about 400 trucks leased to them. I think there might be 20 day cabs in the whole bunch. All those OTR guys spend lots of time on a line and have plenty of space to write. I don't see why I even have to log most days. I am rarely over 100 miles from home, and I record all my times and stops on my time sheets for billing purposes anyway. Monday morning I will be 190 miles from home and that is in hub miles. I think that is the first time I have been more than 100 away in 6 months.
     
  5. heyns57

    heyns57 Road Train Member

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    Logs are not required to be bound in a book. The log format can be printed as part of another company form. My first employer printed their own log pages. In that case, each page was loose and I could easily throw out a smudged log and start over. Now, I carry a double-sided razor blade for cutting the "driver's" copy out of the book when I want to start over.

    Are Radius Driver Log formats still available? These are not graph logs, but seven daily columns on a weekly page. Drivers enter time numerically rather than as a line on a graph. When I was a union "Transfer Driver" for a canned goods labeling plant, I used the weekly log.
     
  6. Joethemechanic

    Joethemechanic Medium Load Member

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    My carrier has their own logs printed up. They have a bar code on them and I think we are required to use them. I really should find out if I can use some other kind of logging format. What does the law say is legal?
     
  7. 2xR

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    a. You have thirteen days to submit a log page to the carrier. This allows plenty of time for using a "re-do".

    b. You must have, in your possession, the copies of the previous seven days of logs, plus the day you are working on. If you are asked to present your logs this is all you have to submit to the diesel cop.

    I use loose leaf to avoid the potential risk of a diesel cop using the missing pages in a bound log as evidence to allow a more thorough inspection of me and my "other supporting documents".

    I keep my loose leaf log pages (copies of seven days previous and the one page I'm working) in a nice, neat 1/2" binder complete with a label sheet slid inside the clear plastic front cover. It looks real professional and first impressions are the ones that count. If the diesel cop perceives a driver as one who has his stuff together (true or not), things usually go a bit easier during the inspection process.
     
  8. Gearjammin' Penguin

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    Good job! I'm LLL'ing myself these days. I don't go quite as far as you do, but my pages are neatly arranged on their own clipboard. The best part is, we use TransFlo, so I don't have to putz around with carbon paper and make a second copy.

    It used to be an article of faith that DOT hated LLL, and would be all up in your face about it. I'm sure there are a few bears out there who get their suspicions raised when they see a LLL, but I've never met one myself. It's a lot easier and neater than trying to write on a floppy logbook perched on the wheel, and easier to redo a page when your pen slips or something. :biggrin_25515:
     
  9. LogsRus

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    Joe: You can take the staples out of the log book and use a clip board or put whole punches in them (put it where the perferated part is so it does not interfere with the actual log sheet), this is called loose leaf logs but using your company's log sheets as required by them.

    It sounds like your company uses the scanning software and this is fine.

    If you make a mistake scribble out (neatly) the mistake and draw the line to the correct place it should be. If it is a horrible day void out the log sheet and throw it away , this way if DOT finds it they know you was voiding it out.

    These log sheets "usually" are not in number order. The bar code is only for scanning software purpose and that's it. However some drivers told me that the "last company" said they was number ordered, not sure how true that is as I only heard a driver from "England" being the country must have theirs in a certain order .

    However the only time you should use another log book is if you run out of the company one and can't get to the terminal to get a new log book. You make their life miserable at this time but we deal with it (some won't). I won't if it is every month. IT makes more work for us:biggrin_25511:

    The point is the company "should" understand you make mistakes & the company should not have the log sheets in a specific order & you can make their log book into loose leaf which serves the same purpose you want.

    If you are changing all the time to 100 air and over 100 air the easiest way to keep track of you (for log department) is to have you fill out a log sheet every day. It's just easiest to avoid mistakes on both parties.

    Now get with your company some are more relaxed, but I think I am more relaxed than most:biggrin_2559:
     
  10. Joethemechanic

    Joethemechanic Medium Load Member

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    I get a letter from them every week, or at least I used to. I haven't seen one for a while, I wonder why. The letters asked for an explanation, what was I supposed to say? My handwriting sucks? I'm sorry I'll never do it again? Or the dog ate my logbook? I think I have them baffled with the line 4 spent on repairs thing. I'm probably the only guy that writes that he repaired his truck, and what repairs he did on his log.
     
  11. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    Um maybe they did a JJ Keller upgrade and it ended up being a JJ Keller down degrade and they haven't been able to send letters out because of them :). Hmm sound's like me any how :). IT's hard to say why you have not recieved a letter, but do call them and ask them how you are doing on logs this year:yes2557:
     
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