Marked as Refusal on drug test

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  1. rorolo20671

    rorolo20671 Bobtail Member

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    I was promoted and called into HR, I, not thinking, went to the bathroom before I went into the office. I was then told I needed to give a sample but my bladder was empty. They gave me the allotted amount of water allowed but I was unable to produce enough of a sample. I also, this is quite embarrassing but I needed to have a bowel movement and I let the person know this but she said I could only provide the sample and not relieve myself. I believe this also affected me and it's part of the reason I wasn't able to provide a full sample. I went to the MRO but of course I am perfectly healthy. I then went and got a blood test on my own with my own Dr. the bloodwork shows there are no drugs in my system but I was still terminated.

    Is my career over? I can't find anyone who will hire me. How am I supposed to do the SAP program return to duty if no one will hire me? Can I sue my former employer?
     
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  3. kemosabi49

    kemosabi49 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    @Moose1958 may be able to answer your question
     
  4. LOTSO

    LOTSO Heavy Load Member

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    That's a new one. I've never heard the "Had to :pottytrain4: so I couldn't pee" reason before...:scratch:
     
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  5. buddyd157

    buddyd157 Road Train Member

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    it's probably unheard of to YOU, but it happens.

    our reflexes sometimes act together for "bathroom duties"

    go and do 1 thing, and before you know it, another thing wants to happen.
     
  6. Moose1958

    Moose1958 Road Train Member

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    Once you enter that secure testing environment you can't leave even to go potty. Most times they have the bathrooms designed only for urine testing. Yes, the company had the legal right to fire you and no I doubt you will find much success attempting a lawsuit.

    I am also seeing you just joined today and a drug testing question was your first. Most of the older members here generally are not going to believe you. So what you are going to have to do is find a SAP and go through the return to duty program.

    Good luck!
     
  7. Flat Earth Trucker

    Flat Earth Trucker Road Train Member

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    I was in a similar situation myself. As it turned out, even though I was terminated from my job for a refusal, no violation was reported to the Clearinghouse.

    I phoned a well-known SAP counselor in my area and was told that since there was no violation, there was no need to go through a return to duty process.

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  8. blairandgretchen

    blairandgretchen Road Train Member

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    I had it happen before - went to the bathroom upon return from shift - THEN sent to pee test, took a lot of water and waiting to produce what they required.
     
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  9. Jumpman

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    I don't know the legal framework for drug testing but if for some reason you cannot provide a urine sample do you have the option to ask for a hair follicle test. Just thinking this might be another option, even if you had to pay the added cost to do just to avoid the issue you ran into.
     
  10. kemosabi49

    kemosabi49 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    You definitely do not have that option. Hair follicle tests are not recognized as a valid drug test by the FMCSA.
     
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  11. buzzarddriver

    buzzarddriver Road Train Member

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    Since your employer terminated you, you will have to find a SAP program on your own and pay for it yourself. At completion of the program, you apply for work and the tentative employer MAY pay for your return-to-work test.
    And check the clearing house to see if it was reported.

    Drug & Alcohol Clearinghouse (dot.gov)
     
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