Log book vs. 100 mile radius rule

Discussion in 'LTL and Local Delivery Trucking Forum' started by 508darrinh, Jan 19, 2013.

  1. Pedigreed Bulldog

    Pedigreed Bulldog Road Train Member

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    If you are operating under the 100 air-mile radius exemption, you are not required to have a log book. If you know what requisites need to be met in order to fall under that 100 air-mile exemption, and you meet them, then there is no reason why you should be filling out a log book. If asked for your log, simply tell the officer that you are not required to keep one. He might appear shocked or confused by that response, because he (like many truckers) was under the impression that EVERY truck driver needed to keep a log book. Simply explain the 100 air-mile exemption to him, stating that you return to your starting location every day within 12 hours, don't venture out beyond the 100 air-mile radius, and that the company maintains a record of your hours worked in compliance with the regulations...that you are not required to have a log book. Most of the time, he will go to his patrol car and look up the regulations and find the exemption you are claiming (or call his DOT guy and ask), and then you'll be on your way.

    I had to explain the 100 air-mile radius to one trooper about a dozen times before he finally went to his car to look into whether or not I was telling the truth. At a scale house, though, it was simply a matter of telling the officer where I was based out of, and where I had been. He knew I didn't need one unless I had exceeded the scope of the exemption. As long as I meet the requirements, I don't have a log book. Period.

    ...and there are perfectly good reasons for NOT filling out a log book when you aren't required to do so.
    1) if you fill one out, you must make sure that you have crossed your t's and dotted your i's. The officer will look through it, and you can be cited for any infractions he finds.
    2) you aren't going to be rewarded for having a log book when you don't need to...so if you don't need to have it, why would you?
     
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  3. Nottoway

    Nottoway Light Load Member

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    To resurrect this thread... I am just starting out and may be signing on to run inside a 100 mile radius area. Couple issues I did not see come up in this discussion.
    1) As long as you're in the short haul radius, stay under 12 hours a day and have 10 hours off-duty before the start of another shift, is there any other requirement for a reset ... or is it permissible to operate as many consecutive, 12 hour days as you can handle?
    2) Might it make sense to run the regular HOS log in order to take advantage of a 14 hour work day and log off-duty during some waiting times during the day (11 on-duty/driving and up to 3 off-duty)?

    Just asking?
     
  4. o.m.d.

    o.m.d. Heavy Load Member

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    its annoying, i punch a card in the morning then have a log to fill out. sometimes i forget to punch in and they always like to circle my time card where i didnt. thanks for letting me know, with your circle
     
  5. wis bang

    wis bang Road Train Member

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    The 60 in 7 or 70 in 8 hours rule still apply
     
  6. Moving Forward

    Moving Forward Heavy Load Member

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  7. lfod14

    lfod14 Road Train Member

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    Doesn't crossing a state line void the 100 mile no log rule? That's what we were taught when we were studying the FMCSA in school.
     
  8. Sublime

    Sublime Road Train Member

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    No, crossing state lines does not void the rule.
     
  9. lfod14

    lfod14 Road Train Member

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    ######, pulled out the ol' Green Book and of course your right. Must be one of those things that people said so much it became true. I hate that.
     
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  10. Shaggy

    Shaggy Road Train Member

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    Air miles trumps everything, Has no borders. Exaggerating a bit. 180 hub miles to reach the border and air miles says 75 miles. Mr. Air is on your side.

    Live in a tri/quad-state and you are not the first or last person to assume it's true. However if you are 18-20 years old with a CDL. Still stuck intrastate :biggrin_25520:
     
  11. Eyesight

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    Here is the way I interpret the 100 mile air radius rule.

    Stay within a 100 mile air radius.
    Your time card is your log book.
    You cannot work over 12 hour per day.
    If you want to work more than 12 hours per day you need to run a log book.
    Your weekly hour limit is 60 hours per week.
    You still need 10 hours off duty before a shift.

    If you go over a 100 mile radius at any time you need to have your last seven days logs with you.

    You still need a 34 hour reset unless you work construction and stay within 50 miles of your office, and the vehicle is used to transport construction and pavement materials, construction equipment, and construction maintenance vehicles to or from active construction site except placarded vehicles. Then you can use a 24 hour reset.


    Air Miles and Statute Miles

    In the short-haul exceptions to the hours-of-service regulations, you will see the term “air miles.”
    This is a different measurement of a mile than what is used for statute miles on a roadmap.
    An air mile is longer than a statute mile. There are 6,076 feet in an air mile and 5,280 feet in a statute
    mile. One-hundred air miles is equal to 115.08 statute miles.
    Therefore, a 100 air-mile radius from your work reporting location can be figured as 115.08 statute,
    or “roadmap,” miles (185.2 km) from your work reporting location. A 150 air-mile radius from your
    work reporting location can be figured as 172.6 statute miles (277.8 km).

    100 air-mile radius CDL driver

    • Logbook not required
    • Report and return to work reporting location within 12 consecutive hours
    • Stay within 100 air-mile radius of work reporting location
    • Keep time records showing time in, time out, and total number of hours §395.1(e)(1)

    100 Air-Mile Radius

    You are not required to fill out a log with a graph grid if you come under the 100 air-mile radius
    exception. The 100 air-mile radius exception applies for any day in which you:

    • Drive within a 100 air-mile radius of your normal work reporting location,
    • Return to your work reporting location and are released within 12 consecutive hours, and
    • Follow all other basic hours of service rules including the 10-hour off-duty and 11-hour driving
    requirements.
    Your motor carrier must keep time records of the times you report for and are released from work
    each day, and the total hours on duty each day. You do not have to have these records in your truck.
    This exception is optional. For example, you and your employer may choose to use a logbook even
    though you are within the 100 air-mile radius, so that you do not have to be released from work
    within 12 hours that day.

    The motor carrier that employs the driver and utilizes this exception must maintain and retain for
    a period of 6 months accurate and true time records showing: 1) the time the driver reports for
    duty each day; 2) the total number of hours the driver is on duty each day; 3) the time the driver
    is released from duty each day; and 4) the total time for the preceding 7 days in accordance with
    Section 395.8(j)(2) for drivers used for the first time or intermittently.
    This regulation is found in Section 395.1(e)(1).


    Construction materials and equipment
    • 24 consecutive hours off duty restarts 60 hour/7 day or 70 hour/8 day limit
    • Vehicle used to transport construction and pavement materials, construction equipment, and construction maintenance vehicles
    • To or from active construction site
    • Stay within 50 air-miles of normal work reporting location
    • Does not apply to vehicles placarded for hazardous materials §395.1(m)

    Non-CDL Short-Haul

    You are not required to fill out a log with a graph grid if you come under the non-CDL short-haul
    exception. The non-CDL short-haul exception applies on days when you:

    • Drive a truck that does not require a CDL,
    • Work within a 150 air-mile radius of your normal work
    reporting location and return there each day.
    • Follow the 10-hour off duty and 11-hour driving requirements,
    • Do not drive after the 14th hour after coming on duty on 5 days of any period of 7 consecutive
    days, and
    • Do not drive after the 16th hour after coming on duty on 2 days of any period of 7 consecutive
    days.
    Your motor carrier must keep time records of the times you report for and are released from work
    each day, and the total hours on duty each day.
    This regulation is found in Section 395.1(e)(2).
     

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