LiFePo4 battery pack instead of Lead Acid

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  1. Cdemars316

    Cdemars316 Medium Load Member

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    I dont know where you are getting your info from but silicate batteries are literally designed for cold weather areas, lithium is the exact opposite the only draw to lithium is weight savings and size, everything else about them is worse, from the process of making them to the process of disposing them
     
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  3. bad-luck

    bad-luck Road Train Member

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    A friend of mine turned me on to blem batteries and I have been using them for about 10 years. I replaced them on December 16th of last year, are here is the date that I installed them. I paid $69.99. I don't remember what I paid in 2018, but when I first started purchasing blem batteries there were around $35. 20221216_120820.jpg
     
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  4. Tb0n3

    Tb0n3 Road Train Member

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    I missed the silicate salt mention and was thinking lead acid. Looking up the silicate salt batteries they seem alright, but less energy dense than lithium and when deeply discharged they lose a fair bit of life span, but not nearly to the same extent as lead acid.
     
  5. TruckerPete1990

    TruckerPete1990 Road Train Member

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    I paid $150 for each agm from MHC with 18 month warranty.
     
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  6. Joeziah

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    You need a special type of alternator that can handle the fact that the internal BMS on any lithium battery may abruptly cut off charging, which will fry the alternator when they do this. Your alternator needs somewhere for that power to go in the time it takes to remove the load.

    Also need a starting module, Maxwell makes one for trucks. Lithium battery can't handle the cranking amps for starting so the starting module charges slowly off them but can crank the engine, takes a few minutes to recharge it between crank attempts (will only turn engine over for around 5 seconds max).

    I have mine set up like this.

    Maxwell starting module connected to starter.
    I have a deep cycle bank which is hooked up to the alternator (upgraded to 400amps in my situation) and also hooked up to trickle charge the starting module.

    I have a CTEK smartpass 120 duo set up connected to the alternator and lead acid battery bank.

    The CTEK will charge the lithium bank at 140amps after the lead acid bank is charged.

    If truck is off and lead acid bank gets low, it will feed power from the lithium bank back to the starter bank if they have enough power.

    This isolates your Lithium bank from your alternator and also from your starter.

    You could pay several thousand for a special type of alternator that essentially uses a buffer and can directly charge a lithium battery, but they are very expensive and hard to find, spend less with the above system.

    I can park for days and play games on my computer and never start my truck, these Lithium batteries will last longer than I'm willing to be in this profession so...
     
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  7. Tb0n3

    Tb0n3 Road Train Member

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    Did you use prebuilt batteries from a supplier like SOK or Battleborn or did you build your own?
     
  8. Siinman

    Siinman Road Train Member

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    You're not the only one but not many people here does the EPU. I am one of the EPU guys and I have researched this a lot. On my next system I will be changing my Deepcycle batteries in my EPU for LifePo4 batteries or something newer if it is out. You cannot really change the starter truck batteries yet that I am aware of unless you can get a start battery like Maxwell that no longer make them. I also have solar and will add more solar to it to make it last longer.
     
  9. Tb0n3

    Tb0n3 Road Train Member

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    I'm fairly certain that the amount of batteries you'd be putting in series for a EPU setup could provide the 1600A (I did the math before but don't remember, just that it's a lot) the starter needs for a short period just fine. Just have to have a separate tap to bypass any BMS.
     
  10. Siinman

    Siinman Road Train Member

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    So far anything I have found will not work as a starter battery., There is some new stuff coming out that might make this a thing in the next few months. Waiting on more details on it to see if it will work out or not. When I order my next truck I will be doing everything I can to make the full jump.
     
  11. Tb0n3

    Tb0n3 Road Train Member

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    It's unlikely such a niche would see factory production, but boutique or self made batteries should be easy enough. According to a quick google search the LiFePo4 chemistry should be fine to 3 or 5C which would be 500A for a single 100AH pack. Since you're unlikely to need only 100AH you should be fine with a separate contactor switched lead from a 600AH pack. Made out of the smaller 100AH prismatic packs it would be a pretty large, but doable 4S6P pack, or multiple smaller packs in parallel. Doing the math on a 600AH pack means almost 8KWh so not insubstantial.
     
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