Let's end the misinformation regarding steer axle weight.

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by plant, Nov 5, 2014.

  1. plant

    plant Heavy Load Member

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    My steer tires are load range H Michelins rated for 7160lbs each in a "single" configuration.
    The tires are 10.826 inches wide (275mm).
    My steer axle is rated for 13,300lbs according to the sticker on the door jam.
    The distance between my steer axle and front drive axle is more than 10 feet.

    For the 12k/12.5k MAX folks (there are a lot of you from the searching I've done), show me one single state or federal law stating that my maximum legal steer axle weight is less than 13,300lbs assuming all other axle weights are legal and I am under gross.

    In California, according to the CHP officer I spoke with personally, they go by the lesser of the tire weight rating or 20,000lbs only. They do not consider the axle weight rating of the truck manufacturer, although I was advised that exceeding 13,300lbs in my case was unsafe, but not citable.

    On an unrelated note, I am considering LTL and fuel carriers in the so cal San Fernando valley. Please PM me leads or recommendations if you have one.
     
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  3. mattbnr

    mattbnr Road Train Member

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    Your steer weight by federal regulations is 20000 lb.
    now having said that your only allowed up to your axle or tire rating which ever is lower. In your configuration your allowed 13300 because you axle is rated lower than your tires.
    Also side note check your tire pressure weight rating because the weight changes according to pressure.
     
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  4. 315wheelbase

    315wheelbase Heavy Load Member

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    you can put up to 20,000 on a single axle ,legal weight depends on the tire rating and axle rating..some states only allow 600 lbs per inch of tire width no matter what the axle and tire rating is
     
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    plant Heavy Load Member

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    I have heard this, can you please name these states? I've seen 620, 650, but not 600. I'm also unclear about whether they round up, round down, or use the exact width.

    Assuming the worst case scenario, rounding down to the nearest inch, and 600lbs per inch, I would be limited to 12,000lbs. But I need proof that this is the law anywhere.
     
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    plant Heavy Load Member

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    A quick google search comes up with MN, OR, WA as states with a 600lb per inch steer tire weight limit. Does anyone know if they round up, down, or use the exact measurement in this calculation?
     
  7. FatDaddy

    FatDaddy Road Train Member

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    The reason why 12,000 lbs on the steers has been ingrained in people's heads (mainly rookies) is because of the math.

    Since most states (not all) is 34K on drives and tandems it's just simple math.

    80k - 34k - 34k = 12k for steers. It just comes down to the easiest way to teach it.
     
  8. purpleprime

    purpleprime Medium Load Member

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    Check your atlas Minnesota Nevada Oregon south Dakota Vermont are all 600 per inch of width north Dakota is only 550 per inch
     
  9. plant

    plant Heavy Load Member

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    I'm also reading that the "pound per inch" rule only applies to heavy haul/permit loads with super singles. And only applies on state roads. For non-permit interstate driving, you use the tire mfg's rating. Any input?
     
  10. purpleprime

    purpleprime Medium Load Member

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    who puts super singles on their steers?
     
  11. plant

    plant Heavy Load Member

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    I believe that what most people refer to as super singles are actually "wide single drives" and super singles have traditionally referred to the beefy steer tires you typically see on heavy haul applications and cement mixers.

    Either way, I'm referring to the beefy steer tires.
     
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