Lease on with authority or without authority?

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  1. joseph1853

    joseph1853 Road Train Member

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    Ok so I've been talking with different dispatching services and they all have their similarities and differences, but I've noticed a recurring theme and that's that they always want to sell me the lease onto their authority for 20% vs 7% using your own authority. To me the obvious reason is well they'll make more money with you running under their authority but they make it sound like I don't need my authority if I only have one truck that it's not worth it.

    What are ya'lls thoughts on this? Is it really not worth it that extra 13% revenue running under your own authority or are they just trying to sell me on it so they can make more money? I mean you can get your numbers for around 900$ dollars so making this back with that extra 13% would take what a week maybe 2?

    The only thing I can think is maybe you'd get better rates running under an established authority but if their dispatchers are capable of half of what they're telling me they are then they should be able to still negotiate decent rates I would think.
     
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  3. blairandgretchen

    blairandgretchen Road Train Member

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    Big question.

    First one to ponder - 7% or 20% of X,

    Vs - 100% of Y.

    Which is greater?
     
  4. Dino soar

    Dino soar Road Train Member

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    Well generally with your own authority either you dispatch yourself or you find a dispatch service they will do that for 5% or whatever they charge. They'll charge more if they do your ifta and all of your paperwork Etc just depends what they're going to do for you. I don't see the need for any of that for a one truck guy but some guys do it...

    I've never heard of a dispatch service that has their own authority and they want you to run under their Authority and they dispatch you. That's a motor carrier, a trucking company. Now there are some places like mag carriers where you sign on under their Authority but you book all your own loads. You just are basically using their Authority instead of having your own.

    What do I think about all of it? I think if you're going to get your own authority then get on the phone and start booking loads. I myself would not trust the booking of loads with someone else doing it. Why pay someone else to do that? In this business you really have to decide where your money is going because so much of it goes out you need to keep everything that you can.

    If you do not want your Authority then I would say the next best thing is to go someplace like mag carriers or someplace like that, because it's the same as having your Authority but they do all your paperwork and they do everything for you if that's what you want. I can't remember I think they paid 90% of the load or something but they completely did everything you literally just find loads and drive.

    I would not lease onto a dispatch service. When you do that you can only pull their loads whatever those are they find for you good bad or indifferent. At least if you lease on to someone like Mercer they have an army of salespeople that are out there securing their own freight and making sure you get paid and making sure that you get detention. If you sign onto some dispatch service you're just at the mercy of whatever loads they give you and that's all you can do is take their loads. And most likely they're just pulling loads off the load boards just like you would do.

    That to me sounds like a terrible idea.
     
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  5. blairandgretchen

    blairandgretchen Road Train Member

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    That’s a pretty good wrap up of the subject right there.
     
  6. joseph1853

    joseph1853 Road Train Member

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    I see your point. With that being said I am not experienced in dealing with brokers, negotiating rates with brokers, paperwork for brokers, how to know if said broker is good or bad, etc, etc, etc. I mean I've read up on it as much as I can but at the end of the day, there's going to be a steep learning curve in an already stressful situation right out of the gate. I figure hire someone to take some of the stress of my back that can do the paperwork, can negotiate a good rate, and knows the in's an out's of it. I figure I can get used to running my own rig and all that that entails and while doing that I'm sure I'll get to figuring out how the load boards work and brokers and such. Yes, they'll be taking 7% but if they do their job decently they will make up for that in their ability to negotiate good rates.
     
  7. MTN Boomer

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    My experience is , leased to a carrier. An agent has better rates than brokers do, Most of the problem loads are broker loads.
     
  8. Pepper24

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    There not making that much of a difference in money since if you lease to them you would be on there insurance unless they turn around and charge you for it.Why did you even get your own authority with no kind of plan or knowledge of how to make money? I personally have 0 understanding why anyone would use a dispatch service with a 1 truck operation. Goes to my thoughts about most who buy a truck and go lease to carriers really have no need in owning a truck you can make just as much money with a good job,unless you live in an area where jobs aren’t as plentiful then you might need to buy a job.There are plenty of good drivers out here that doesn’t transfer to be able to be a good salesperson which is what you have to be able to do.Even just running on load boards is not a good plan you will get good loads here and there most of the time you will get so so loads to hit and miss to be a good plan.To make it worth doing you need to find some kind of niche in the area you live for example is there a nursery in your area they have busy season a lot of times they need help.
     
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  9. God prefers Diesels

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    Don't worry about that one bit. You'll feel much more comfortable with all of that literally after one week. So don't let this part affect your decision at all. It means nothing.
     
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  10. joseph1853

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    Ok, yeah that's kinda what I thought. That it wasn't as big a deal as it seems and as you said it will be learned quickly.
     
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  11. joseph1853

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    Yeah, they do charge you for it or like you said there would be more of an incentive. Of course, they say their insurance will be somewhat cheaper being they have commercial coverage for several trucks so they get a bit of a discount.

    I haven't when through the process of getting my own numbers yet. That's why I posted this request for information on the topic so I can make an educated decision on the matter before hand.

    Right, finding a niche is where to find good money. There's actually end dump/belly dump work in my area because of a large highway road construction project going on in my area that I'm looking into also. I guess that would be considered a niche.
     
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