Learning trucks! Single axle vs tandem or double axle truck?

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  1. jpeters72155

    jpeters72155 Light Load Member

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    Thanks for your reply mugurpe. You are right about trying to know a little of whats going on first before talking to someone. I wish we could gvw at 52,000 :biggrin_255:
     
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    Haven't talked to them yet because I was pretty clueless about s/a trucks and the person who's helping me with this happens to be "out of the office" Go figure haha but thanks, I will talk to them next about getting the right make and model of truck. Hopefully if I go to them with the emission problem research Ive done they will be straightforward about it instead of trying to unload their crap units
     
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    KANSAS TRANSIT Road Train Member

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    IF I was in your shoes, AND I was spec'ing new tractors, look into the 6x2 units, basically they look just like a tandem tractor but only ONE drive axle, other axle is dummy, just there for carrying weight.

    Also you COULD look at having a "drop" axle on a S/A truck, when you need it you could pick up another 12,000 of capacity, when you don't need it, raise it up, saving fuel, tires, and tolls, just a thought.



    For my money Volvo has about the nicest 6x2 setup that I have looked at.








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  5. truckon

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    Salesman seldom know anything. He came to the right place for advice, professionals who know what their talking about.

    Glad to see KT jumped in here, he's got some sound advice and experience.
     
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    Truth is, I usually know what is new before my salesman does, Lol
     
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    This is what I love about business that other people think is a pain in the --- You get to find out new info, get to take on new decisions, get a little pressure on your shoulders all while the regular folks do the same thing every single day at their regular jobs. Howww boring

    But back to the topic. Thank you very much for throwing those two types of trucks into the mix. I found a thread about them here:

    http://www.thetruckersreport.com/tr...ighteen-wheelers-/192925-6x2-information.html

    I wasn't able to keep up with a lot of the configurations they were talking about but what I got from all of that was 1. If running a lift axle, keep that one on the rear and the drive axle in the middle for traction purposes 2. You can save up to 1 mpg by having only one drive axle, definitely 1 mpg when there's a lifted axle.

    This article - http://www.truckinginfo.com/article/story/2011/09/it-might-be-time-for-a-6x2.aspx also confirmed that thread's info and said that putting more weight in the center or middle axle will also get you much better traction. The times we can benefit from that are the few weeks it rains heavy. Cats and dogs certainly. The article even says some newer 6x2 trucks have the option to go to 6x4 if you are worried about resale value, something of concern to almost everyone.

    So now my question is, is the 6x2 set up, regardless of whether you got a lift-able axle or not, still pretty rare? I just checked commercialtrucktrader and 2012 freightliner cascadias under 400,000 miles are about half 6x2 and half 6x4. There seems to be nothing but positives about the 6x2s even if you're driving on snow! One more thing to figure out is if the drivers will be able to drive more safely in a 6x2 than a 6x4.
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    And Stan, I did not overlook that you recommended Volvos but we're in California so we need a CARB compliant trucks while also not breaking the bank. Forum research has led me going after 2012 and 2013 Freightliners given our budget. If not we'd get all new Pete's or Volvos you know :yes2557:

    If you or anyone else has a minute, I'd appreciate opinions on this truck. It happens to be a 6x2 based on the options I chose when searching. The company owner is close to making a deal with Penske for a few of these but 6x4s I think with this type of mileage and price. Believe me if I can persuade him to avoid Penske fleet trucks I will:

    http://www.commercialtrucktrader.com/listing/2012-Freightliner-CA12564DC---CASCADIA-113785904
     
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    So why cant you run 80K on a 4 axle? Now I have run trucks for years with 20K on the front. The federal bridge calculator only needs 57' of bridge to make 80K on 4 axles. Or I think 78K in 54' is even better. On a setback front axle with sliding fifth wheel, I am sure you could get 18K on the front. It requires a 10'1" spread on the trailer, but thats normal and easy to find. Thoughts?
     
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    If this was my deal, I'd go with the 6x2 setup like KT describes. I called it a "tag" axle, and when you need it , it's there, and can be raised when you don't. I drove a single axle truck, and it was a PITA. Many times, on backhauls, they'd load the wagon, and I was overweight and had to dodge the scales, plus it was hard on the truck. Years ago, there was a device called a "Jo-Dog". I think CF used them. It was an extra set of wheels that connected to the back of the tractor, and could be removed. Not sure those are still around.
     
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    O.K. I'm going to reverse course here now knowing exactly what you are doing and where you are.


    I think 2012/13 Cascadias would be a good choice, not sure about the Penske deal, I have always found most Penske trucks to be sparsely equipped and a bit high on price.

    One other thing to think about, if you are in Cali. (I take that to mean, lots of traffic, lots of stops, 55 mph speeds) I would NOT limit myself to search for 6x2. Because if you are using this truck for local or even regional, I really don't think you will see a huge saving in MPG's between a 6x2 and a 6x4, IN THIS APPLICATION, that is my bad, as when I first answered your question I didn't realize exactly where you where or what you were doing.

    The 6x2 is at it's best on long highway runs with little stop and go driving, that is where you will see the largest difference. Just go for the best conventional tractor you can find that fits your budget, with up to 40,000 in the box, and buying a used truck it will open up your choices quite a bit.

    Sorry for misleading you, thought you were more over the road 70 mph deal. The money you save on buying more conventional tractors/trailers will help offset any fuel savings at the speeds you are running.

    JMHO
     
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