I've seen a lot of threads dealing with off-duty driving.. what constitutes as off-driving.. the various things you need to know in order to ensure that off-duty driving is utilized properly.. and how there's no set limit but it needs to be considered reasonable..... but I've never seen any answers as to whether or not you can use off-duty driving if the distance you have to drive is more than a hundred miles.
So my situation / question to you all is... my carrier does not run in Alabama at all.. the closest they're ever able to get me to home, in order to send me home, is typically Atlanta, McDonough, or Tifton in which any one of those is roughly 230 miles from my house... if I was to start heading home and running the rest of my time down to the last minute and then switch over to off-duty driving to finish the rest, would it be considered okay if the off-duty driving portion is still over a hundred miles of driving????
It's been asked before in many ways.. off duty driving
Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Dast, Dec 16, 2017.
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It called Personal Conveyance you can read more about it. Their is no miles limit but your better off if you bobtailing. You can pull empty trailer but if you get stopped you ha e to convince the D.O.T it's Personal Conveyance and not repositioning for another load. For Personal Conveyance to work your supposed to return to place you started. If not they can say you were repositioning yourself for the next load then it's regular driving time and that would put you over the 70 hours and be a ticket plus out of service probably.
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But yes, personal conveyance can be used to drive home.Pedigreed Bulldog Thanks this. -
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If you're going home unladen it's pc. If you're dead heading to a pick up and you plan to stop at the house on the way then it's not pc. -
So, a driver having finished his 11 & 14 hour for that shift could conceivably drive home 200 miles away using personal conveyance?
I thought the hours of service were put in place to ensure proper rest periods? -
You might want to read this article on PC posted on J.J. Keller.
What is personal conveyance?
Question: If a driver is permitted to use a CMV for personal reasons, how must the driving time be recorded?
Guidance: When a driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work, time spent traveling from a driver's home to his/her terminal (normal work reporting location), or from a driver's terminal to his/her home, may be considered off-duty time. Similarly, time spent traveling short distances from a driver's en route lodgings (such as en route terminals or motels) to restaurants in the vicinity of such lodgings may be considered off-duty time. The type of conveyance used from the terminal to the driver's home, from the driver's home to the terminal, or to restaurants in the vicinity of en route lodgings would not alter the situation unless the vehicle is laden [i.e., loaded]. A driver may not operate a laden CMV as a personal conveyance. The driver who uses a motor carrier's CMV for transportation home, and is subsequently called by the employing carrier and is then dispatched from home, would be on-duty from the time the driver leaves home. A driver placed out of service for exceeding the requirements of the hours of service regulations may not drive a CMV to any location to obtain rest.
Only two situations are specifically covered in the interpretation:
- A driver’s commute to and from the terminal (normal work location)
- Short personal trips from a driver’s en route lodging.
- The vehicle must be unladen.
- Movement is of a “short” distance solely for personal use.
- The driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work.
- The driver is relieved of all duty and responsibility for the care and custody of the vehicle, its accessories, and any cargo or passengers it may be carrying.
- The driver must be at liberty to pursue activities of his/her own choosing.
- No work should be done until the driver is ready to return to duty.
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This is the Qualcomm message I received when starting PC..
QHOS Off-Duty Driving Warning
To use line 5: off duty driving status: You cannot have a loaded trailer. You cannot be moving towards the shipper. You cannot use line 5 for longer than 30 minutes. You must enter a comment on your logs denoting why you are using this status and where you are going. If you do not meet all of these criteria, you are not eligibile to use off-duty driving.
Which I know for me is more of an issue between me and my carrier I know they're going to have a ####fit... but #### it I'm going home I refuse to be penalized and punished by staying out on the road another day not being paid when I could be home today -
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The clincher? You stay home exactly 24 hours and you now have a fresh 70.
"But that's not safe."
If you rented a car and went back home, stayed with her at the hospital and then got back in the car and drove to your truck and got back behind the wheel, what's the difference? If you booked a flight back home, saw momma and then flew right back to your truck, what's the difference? There is no guarantees of proper rest. That's personal conveyance.blairandgretchen, sealevel, snowman_w900 and 2 others Thank this.
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