Items On Catwalk...and Hydraulic Lines...

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by GOV'T_Trucker, Sep 26, 2011.

  1. GOV'T_Trucker

    GOV'T_Trucker Heavy Load Member

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    Ok so today at work I hear one of the guys got yanked into the scale house on the weekend due to having a milk crate on the catwalk, a shovel and bars and because the hydraulic lines were hooked up.. This is what I heard through the grape vine so some information could be messed up..

    They told him he couldn't have ANYTHING on the catwalk and apparently the hydraulic lines couldn't be hooked up.. Now I am not sure about the hydraulic lines because my supervisor/dispatch didn't mention anything about that.. They just clearly stated that anyone with stuff on the catwalk needs to be removed ASAP...

    Now I do not understand this... I know the truck that did get pulled in has a milk crate so I can see how this would be an issue.. There is nothing stopping stuff from falling out I get that.. I on the other hand have a box with a lid on it.. This box is bungeed down.. Same with my shovel it's bungeed down to the bracket for the exhaust system (no it's not touching a hot part of the system).... So I don't see what is wrong with this... Even if they question the bungees and if your using straps they still say NOTHING on the catwalk.. What's the deal with this??? Anyone know if there is anything in the traffic act that says no?? Is this like standard around the industry or is it just Canada .... We drive day cabs so where are you suppose to put extra things when you have no frame rail boxes.. You can't put them inside cause technically is a projectile item.. So what you can't have spare stuff with you??

    The second thing is hydraulic lines.. Now I contact the MOT (ministry of transport) about this a few years ago.. They said having the hoses hooked up while driving is perfectly fine.. They actually say it's safer to have them hooked up rather then just dangling from the trailer... I don't see the difference in having your hydraulic hoses hooked up compared to your airlines hooked up.. If you ripped out the hydraulic hoses thats your stupidity for not paying attention.. Also the oil can't just start pissing out because you need to have the PTO on for the air to enter the lines.... So I was told by one MTO officer that it is fine and dandy and not I hear that you can't have them hooked up.. So it's funny how you can ask one officer and they say yes then you ask another they say no.. I think they need to get their $#!T together and have one answer not 5 different answers from 5 different people..

    So does anyone know of the specific laws regarding both these situations... Apparently they told us this is our final warning at the scales cause of several different things happening with drivers going into the scales.. They are a bit more lenient on us cause were government workers but they have had it with problem so I guess we are not going to be given the green light through the scales anymore.. Not to say we always get the green light but a lot of the times yes,.

    This is probably more specific to Ontario, Canada.... But any insight would be greatly appreciated..
     
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  3. Injun

    Injun Road Train Member

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    I wish I could help you with Canadian law. I can't. But I will post this for the benefit of drivers who work in the US.

    The catwalk must be clear of obstructions. That means no load locks, no brooms, no milk crates, no spare tires, etc. If you have a spare tire in a rack, it must be secured. That means a strap at least two inches wide or a chain. Bungee cords won't be accepted. If your tire rack has a chain attached to it, it must be secured. A zip tie is not okay. I use a carabiner on mine. Similar for load lock racks. Again, I use a carabiner.

    I'm hearing DOT is also saying they don't want to see metal tool boxes on or near catwalks unless they are permanently affixed (bolted) to the truck in some way. Some trucks have grab handles on the backs of the cabs. Once upon a time, I would put a broom in that and hold it in with bungee cords. Never had a DOT cop say a word about it. Now, you could get a ticket for cargo securement....which equals 10 CSA points times the multiplier: 30 points for the first year.

    I'm also hearing that a bungee cord across the catwalk (that I have used to tuck my air/electric lines under when bobtail) is being ticketed. And, if your lines are tucked under the cord, you can get it for load securement and air lines on the catwalk.

    They're getting persnickety here in the US. I can't imagine Canada would be any different.
     
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  4. Hardlyevr

    Hardlyevr Road Train Member

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    I can't help with the hydraulic part, but I have heard of an increased crackdown on ANYTHING with bungee cords, even inside of the trailer. The reasoning being given is that bungee cords do NOT have a rated working strength, so anything that you secure better have a strap or chain and ratchet on it.
     
  5. gravdigr

    gravdigr Road Train Member

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    Eww, I was considering strapping a power generator to my catwalk.

    I wonder if I built a platform close to the cab between the framerails and bolted my generator to it while leaving the catwalk alone. I am an experienced metalworker and fabricator so I know I can do it. Wonder if I can get away with a design that doesn't bolt on the frame. My catwalk doesn't bolt on, it uses clamps.
     
  6. Injun

    Injun Road Train Member

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    As long as it is secured and there are no unauthorized welds or holes in or on the frame, you should be good to go.

    (Add) I almost forgot. With regard to that generator: Be absolutely sure you route the exhaust in a safe and approved manner. It's something else that could bite your backside.
     
  7. GOV'T_Trucker

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    They really are getting nit-picky about things... I mean I know bungees have no WLL but to hold down a broom or a shovel you got to be kidding me... I have had my box on there for months now and it hasn't moved an inch with my bungees on it... This is just a pathetic money grabbing scam (both US and Canada) as far as I am concerned.. I understand the concept of it but I don't agree with it... I mean ok fine the box maybe but shovels, bars and brooms give it a rest MOT/DOT...


    It is sounding like the laws are the same in both countries... I think maybe I might read the laws and know for sure.. I guess it don't matter either way cause if my work wants that stuff off the catwalk then so be it...

    So maybe if you secure your generator to the catwalk with straps you might be ok right... If you put the hooks through a hole in the frame or over a bolt that sticks out....

    Honestly this industry is going to force people out if you ask me... At what point do we as drivers say "enough is enough".... Without turning this into a topic about the industry I must say.. We need to stand up and fight certain things that are just ridiculous.. This is one of the most important jobs out there (and thankless too) as far as I am concerned.. Cause without these trucks nothing would get anywhere... Building materials for those law making a-hole and cars for those law making a-holes to drive to the building.. Not to mention the computers, pen, pencils, paper etc.... Do they forget how important this industry really is?? Sure other jobs are important too but like I said without a way to get the materials to these other important jobs how will these said job be done?? You can't train everything into exact locations....

    Rant over..
     
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  8. GOV'T_Trucker

    GOV'T_Trucker Heavy Load Member

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    In other words....

    We are over regulated and under paid...
     
  9. BigJohn54

    BigJohn54 Gone, but NEVER forgotten

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    You are right about this.^^^^

    Still things falling off of trucks and hitting other vehicles is what has caused this. I don't trust bungee cords to hold anything on my truck. Surely you have had more than one break in your hand while pulling it tight?
     
  10. aiwiron

    aiwiron Road Train Member

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    I noticed a driver that had a setup on his catwalk, used t bolts and clamps like they use on industrial catwalks. He ran the bolts up into the generator frame and used aircraft nuts, pretty bullet proof from my view.
     
  11. MassHole

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    wow that sux. we keep things on our catwalks. extra bungees, milk crates, 5 gal bucket with calcium or just a sealed bag of calcium. never seen or heard of any issues.
     
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