Is this ok? (chaining)

Discussion in 'Flatbed Trucking Forum' started by Woodys, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. Bean Jr.

    Bean Jr. Road Train Member

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    According to that each tie down must be a minimum of 5,000 WLL, but the aggregate need only be 50% of the weight. "Note: More tiedowns may be required to satisfy the general cargo securement requirements (Section 2) that state: "The sum of the working load limits from all tiedowns must be at least 50% of the weight of the cargo."
     
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  3. HoneyBadger67

    HoneyBadger67 Road Train Member

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    Never
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    NE-VER! just "hook it to a stake pocket"! I've seen pockets rip like paper. Always loop AROUND the pocket hooking the chain on itself. This utilizes BOTH sides and pulls up on a box of metal (2 welds) instead of just a slice (single weld). If I ever get out from under this RGN and back under a step/flat, I'll put up a couple pictures.
     
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  4. beastr123

    beastr123 Road Train Member

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    No question is stupid if you can learn from the answer.
    you can use one chain and two binders in multiple ways if you wish. If you have a spool on the trailer you can run the chain around it and chain hook to the load, then hook the binder from the load side to the slack side. then do the same thing on the other side.
    you can also do the same with the loop at the load tiedown point and the chain anchored to the trailer. I hope the drawing will help.
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  5. TripleSix

    TripleSix God of Roads

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    Don't mean to confuse you, okay? @johndeere4020 mentioned that in order for it to count as 4 points of securement, it has to be 4 INDEPENDENT points of securement. In your first picture, if you cut that one chain, both binders will lose their tension and flop loosely. If you loosen one binder, the other will be loose too. They are not independent.

    @Razororange in his illustration is trying to show that all you have to do is loosen some of the chain that you have around the binder, and use that excess to pull part of the chain that's laying across the deck and hook that to the bottom hook of the binder. If you do both sides and allow the slack to lay on the trailer, it will count as two points of securement. Secure the other side the same way and the attachments and you're ready to go.
     
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  6. HoneyBadger67

    HoneyBadger67 Road Train Member

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    Hauling combines out of Grand Island, NE me and a guy I worked with tried to see just how efficiently we could secure one of the monsters they put together there. We got it down to 6 'J' hooks, 4 20' chains and 12 binders. That thing could have done a loop and not come off the trailer.
     
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  7. beastr123

    beastr123 Road Train Member

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    my above post will work if the chain and binders are 3/8 grade 70 in your case tonight. Also chain or strap the bucket and the boom. you may count them in the WLL but I and most others do not, the main body is what you tie down not the accessories as far as you WLL goes.
     
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  8. TripleSix

    TripleSix God of Roads

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    @Woodys, as usual JD is correct. But can you figure out WHY? It will help you to figure out when cross chaining would be MORE beneficial and when it’s not.

    The goal isn’t to do the job, the goal is to be good at the job.
     
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  9. Kshaw0960

    Kshaw0960 Road Train Member

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    You are on the right track kind of. Basically you use one chain, but 2 binders. You kind of split the chain in two. These are only pics I got but zoom in you can see one chain and 2 binders used to create 2 separate hook points with the remainder of the chain slack in the middle of the trailer.

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  10. jamespmack

    jamespmack Road Train Member

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    @Hulld This pic is a good example, but you are on one point of attachment. Helps not one bit if that hitch fails. But this shows the chain and binder set up well

    @Bean Jr. I have tried explaining this and was told I am nuts! Oh well lol.
     
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  11. Woodys

    Woodys Heavy Load Member

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    No clue as to when and why I should cross chain. I can understand like what other were talking about earlier that it could make a steeper angle and create better pull? On these backhoes though, if I tried cross chaining it would have been digging into the backhoe while making its way to the opposite side of the trailer. Doubt it would have mattered since these are going to auction, but I've heard on certain machinery if you touch anything besides their anchor points with the chain it could mean a fat deduction.


    Cool thing though, the ritchie bros I delivered to said they are not allowed to unload the machines, but they could teach us how to work them. So I got to ride a couple backhoes around a little bit haha.


    Edit: update just got my next load and it's some equipment from a CAT dealer, let's see if I can do better this time!
     
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