Is PeopleNet legal in this?

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  1. kemosabi49

    kemosabi49 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Question for some of you guys using Peoplenet. @Dennixx. And I know @supersnackbar is a big fan of Peoplenet-Lol.
    Anyway, I noticed that Peoplenet is not computing the 8 hr driving until you have to take a break correctly.
    Say I start driving at 8am. That means I have until 4pm to drive. The ELD will show my remaining driving time until the required break. Unless I take a 30 break, on duty off duty or any combination of the two before 4pm, at 4pm I have to stop. Ok. Now I have noticed that if I stop for less than 30 minutes, the Peoplenet will extend the 8hrs by that same amount. Example, today I started driving at 5am. After driving for 2 hours, I stopped to grab a snack and use the can. When I stopped, eld showed I had 6 remaining hours to drive before my rest break. After being stopped for 20 minutes, when I started driving again, I still had 6 hours remaining. The eld had extended the end of driving time by the same amount of time I had been stopped.
    This is not something new either. It;s been doing this for months. I'm pretty sure that the Federal HOS does not allow this.
    Another time, I had stopped and went off duty for a hour, drove some more, then stopped, off duty for another hour. 2 non consecutive hours off duty. Peoplenet showed that I had completed the short period of a split sleeper break.

    Anyone else's Peoplenet doing this?
     
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  3. drvrtech77

    drvrtech77 Road Train Member

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    I noticed mine did that today…i stopped with 6:58 on my 8hr clock to fuel in utah and 20min later i took off with the same 6:58 when it should’ve been lower after fueling. Yes my company uses peoplenet too
     
  4. D.Tibbitt

    D.Tibbitt Road Train Member

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    Time spent on duty or off duty does not count towards your 8 hour driving time before needing a 30 minute break..that is for 8 hours of driving only
     
  5. Dennixx

    Dennixx Road Train Member

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    I haven't noticed mine doing anything new but it won't count down drive time when stopped until you've no on duty to give. Although our last peoplenet update keeps it in drive for 5 minutes after stopping unless manually put to on duty or yard move.
     
  6. drvrtech77

    drvrtech77 Road Train Member

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    Not correct..any combination of lines 1/4 totalling 30min satisfies 30min break

    The complete guide to FMCSA’s 30-minute break rule.
     
  7. D.Tibbitt

    D.Tibbitt Road Train Member

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    I understand both off duty and on duty satisfies 30 min break.. That's not what I'm saying... You said you spent 20 mins fueling and your 8 hour clock did not count down those 20 mins... It is not supposed to. The 8 hours only counts driving time before needing a 30 min break... you can be on duty throwing tarps for 2 hours . You are not going to have 6 hours left before needing a 30 min break. You will have the full 8 hours.
     
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  8. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    While you are correct, that wasn't the question. The question is why isn't the 8 hour clock counting down while off duty. The answer is like @D.Tibbitt said. It's not mean to.
    A little reminder since it seems people have forgotten this.
    The 70 hour clock is a timer.
    The 14 hour clock is a window
    The 11 hour clock is a timer
    The 8 hour clock is a timer. (It was a window, but that changed a couple years ago. same time as on duty time started to count for the 30 minute.)

    The only clock that keeps moving no matter what is the 14 hour window. Everything else is a countdown.
    70 is anytime driving/on duty.
    11 and 8 is anytime driving,
     
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  9. mud23609

    mud23609 Medium Load Member

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    From the FMCSA website

    30-Minute Driving Break

    Drivers must take a 30-minute break when they have driven for a period of 8 cumulative hours without at least a 30-minute interruption. The break may be satisfied by any non-driving period of 30 consecutive minutes (i.e., on-duty not driving, off-duty, sleeper berth, or any combination of these taken consecutively).

    Summary of Hours of Service Regulations | FMCSA

    The key takeaway is "driven for a period of 8 cumulative hours"

    On-duty time does not count for calculating your cumulative drive time window under the current regulation. Under the old rules, the 8-hour window started as soon as you went on duty and could not be paused. Under the current rules, the 8-hour window applies to driving only. Before you reach 8 hours of driving time, you still have to take a 30-minute period that can be any combo of on or off-duty time. This period cannot be split. You cannot take 20 minutes and two hours later take another ten. You can do 10 minutes on duty say fueling, and then 20 minutes off duty as long as the period is not interrupted by driving time.

    For the split sleeper the two hour period must be taken consecutively. Again from the FMCSA website.

    Q: What rest periods qualify for the split sleeper berth provision?

    A: Truck drivers using the split sleeper berth provision under the hours-of- service (HOS) rule may take a period of at least 7-consecutive hours in the sleeper berth and a period of at least 2-consecutive hours off-duty, provided that, when the two periods are paired, they total at least 10 hours.

    What rest periods qualify for the split sleeper berth provision? | FMCSA

    I am not sure why it would show that you had taken the shorter period unless it was basing that on something that had happened at another time during your work day that you were not accounting for. I would have to see the actual logs to really determine that. I know mine surprised me a few times by showing available working time when I was not expecting it to do so but when I looked into it further and checked the logs there was always a legal reason that I had simply failed to account for.
     
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  10. drivingmissdaisy

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    This is reflecting a new law regarding HOS that came out. Now it takes you driving to actually start your 8 hr clock and ONLY driving counts it down. I can't tell you how many times I got up the morning, I took 10 min to pretrip, on duty. 15 min to fuel the truck, on duty. Then went inside and got a drink and took a leak, taking 10 more minutes off duty. Now when I get in the truck to start driving I only have 7:25 of drive time. That's wrong. I wasn't driving so why is my drive time going down? Why did it keep going down even though I was off duty? The answer was, of course, that it wasn't REALLY your drive time that was going down, but was your ON DUTY time. Since drive can't exceed on duty, your drive time ticked down too. It was BS and penalized people for taking time to do a pretrip by knocking them in how long they could drive before stopping unless they took a 30 min break AFTER their pretrip. It was insane.

    So now they changed it. You can take as long as you want to fuel and when you start driving, if you had 8 hours when you pulled up to the pumps, you'll have 8 hours on the other side (assuming you didn't do a 5 hr break at the pump messing up your 14)

    It used to be your 8hrs was from the moment you went on duty for the first time after your break. Now it's from the moment you start driving.
     
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2023
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