International 9400i ignition switch not starting

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  1. fredmalito4

    fredmalito4 Bobtail Member

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    My 2006 9400i with a Cat C13 and an Eaton Ulrashift automatic 10spd decided to not start anymore. Breakers all appear to be good. Relays for ignition and start enable swapped with other working relays. No power to the solonoid on the passenger side firewall on either small posts when attempting to crank. With key in on position, engine starts when power is jumped from battery wire to start post on the solonoid (not across solonoid, so solonoid is functioning), and truck appears to function normally.

    There is no change if the brake is applied or not, or if parking brake is on or not. Transmission was in nuetral. Truck always started with me standing outside previously, so presumably has no interlocks on on the brake switch. I am assuming I'm hunting for a break in the wire from the switch to the solonoid, or a bad switch.

    So, does anyone know what color wire or what clock position on the back of the switch is the solonoid's trigger wire? I need to check for power output there next. I assume there is just one power input to the switch, right?

    Thanks to any and all!

    Fred
     
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  3. Heavyd

    Heavyd Road Train Member

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    One the back of your key switch, the pink wire is your starter wire, usually 17A. This goes up to the fuse/relay panel behind the glove box to the Start Enable relay. The transmission will trigger the relay if the transmission TCU detects everything is cool and it is ok to start the engine. Once the transmission has triggered the relay the start power will go through the relay and out to the firewall solenoid.
     
  4. fredmalito4

    fredmalito4 Bobtail Member

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    Howdy, HeavyD;

    So, the pink wire is the switched wire, the TCU provides 12v to switch the relay? Since I heard the relay trip upon reinsertion, it's safe to say that the TCU gave a go-ahead for launch and the problem is then with my ignition switch or wires. Check 12v output from switch, if good check continuity to relay socket, then from socket to solonoid? Alternatly jumper 12v to relay socket to light up the solonoid; that checks that half of the circuit and gets my motor runnin'.

    In the future if I have TCU issues I could remive the relay and jumper the 17a circuit, then. Not bright, but a quick redneck fix. Thoughts?

    Thanks,

    Fred
     
  5. Heavyd

    Heavyd Road Train Member

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    Yep, if you heard the enable relay trip when you plugged it in, that part and the TCU/wiring is good. Your diagnostic direction is bang on! Yes, you can by pass the relay in the future if needed, as long as the transmission isn't mechanically stuck in gear. You just need to be careful. The TCU actually monitors the start enable relay circuit for any opens or shorts. If there was a problem with it, it would be causing an active fault. Sounds like a start circuit problem.
     
  6. fredmalito4

    fredmalito4 Bobtail Member

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    Sounds good. It self healed this afternoon, so I'm betting carbon fouling our a squished bug in the switch. I am hoping upon removal that I can take it apart and repair it instead of replacing it, if that is indeed the problem.

    Thanks for the help, sir!
     
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