Insurance for car hauler?

Discussion in 'Car Hauler and Auto Carrier Trucking Forum' started by ast26909, Mar 23, 2018.

  1. Ziggy319

    Ziggy319 Medium Load Member

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    Fralic does write NY.
     
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  3. StrokerTSi

    StrokerTSi Medium Load Member

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    First year 27k, second year 24k.
     
  4. ast26909

    ast26909 Medium Load Member

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    My first year was little over $13k with 100k cargo 1 mil liability no collision coverage for truck and trailer, upon renewal I was offered $9k by a different company but decided to stay with current company at $10k. BTW, I run a 1 ton F-350 dually with 3-car wedge trailer. What had happened was my truck needed some urgent repairs and I had to deliver two cars so I took my personal truck which is also an older 1 ton F-350 to deliver the cars. On the way I got stopped and the cop asked me if I have a DOT #, I was so stupid I told him I don't have a DOT # but I have a business DOT number he demanded the DOT # and proceeded to do inspection. This inspection got onto my DOT records and my insurance asked me about it, I told them exactly what happened they told me I have to add the personal truck to the policy or they cancel me. I told my insurance my personal truck has its own insurance and I can't drive two trucks at the same time the cost would be prohibited, so they sent me a letter to cancel due to 'increased risk'.

    I have been shopping but it seems the insurance companies they conspire with one another, the only quote I got now is $24k. I have had no claims, the only difference on my DOT record from the time of renewal to now is one OOS due to incomplete log book (I did not log ONE day in the seven day period because on that day I only went to a location 50 miles from my base with proof and still got OSS). In the 13 month period I have had 8 inspections 4 of which have no violation, the other 4 inspections have violations: 3 OOS due to incomplete log book (driver didn't think logging was necessary not because of driving more hours than allowed) and one load securement.

    What's these experiences have shown me is that the DOT officers they specifically target the pickup trucks, no doubt about this I have heard other saying this and once they stop you they don't like to walk away with no violation. Some officers are not as honest as they could be, some will include outright bogus violations and you need to read the inspection reports very carefully and dispute the inaccuracies on DataQ right away while they are fresh. The FMCSA likes to criminalize us, they use language like 'falsified or false log' for incomplete log, 'unsafe driving' for not stopping at the scale...
     
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  5. brian991219

    brian991219 Road Train Member

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    You missed the last line of my post, and yes I fully understand how a typical insurance loss is processed, I was a manager of a salvage auction before entering the trucking world.

    With a loss to a brand new vehicle in-transit the insurance company has to pay the full retail price for the vehicle but does not get to take possession of it and sell it at a salvage auction, the manufacturer retains possession and has the vehicle crushed, so yes the insurance company is out the full retail cost of the vehicle which is why it is so hard to obtain insurance to transport new vehicles.

    Now, as for diminished value, if a used vehicle is damaged, or even a new one that is not then crushed, the dealer must disclose the repairs which in theory reduced the amount they can sell the vehicle for making the insurance company not only cover the actual repair costs plus the perceived loss in retail value, and again because the dealer retains possession of the vehicle the insurance company has no way to recover their loss other than increased premiums.

    What makes insurance so high for car haulers is the current state of the industry with every Tom, Dick and Harry deciding to get a truck and trailer and haul cars without any idea how to do so without inflicting transport related damages.
     
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    brian991219 Road Train Member

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    You are fortunate that the DOT officer didn't impound your truck and that the insurance company is letting you keep your policy just by adding the extra truck. You can't just decide to use another truck to pull your freight because it is there, doesn't matter that you had it insured under your personal account, that does not satisfy the legal requirements of the FMCSA. Most insurance companies would have dropped you for that and I know several DOT officers that would have towed the truck away for no insurance, not to mention getting a report of operating with no insurance back to the FMCSA could lead to an investigation and enforcement actions from them.

    As for your log violations listed above, you can't just not log a day because it was only 50 miles, unless you maintain time records in compliance with the short haul exemption in 49 CFR 395.1(e) for the local days, as well as meet all the other criteria required to use the short haul exception, you must complete a record of duty status (log book) for every day, 365 days a year. So, no it is not "criminalizing" you, the DOT is exactly right, you presented a false log since it was incomplete and inaccurate.
     
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  7. brian991219

    brian991219 Road Train Member

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    New motor carrier without any experience hauling cars, those are reasonable numbers in many parts of the country.
     
  8. ast26909

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    I have couple question for you, if an officer is late to his work or sleeping in his car , is it 'falsified' or 'false' work? How do you like 'undocumented'?
     
  9. ast26909

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    Look like you are scared of a little competition, aren't you? You missed the big picture, pay for the new car crush the new car doesn't matter the insurance companies will just raise rate to keep their profit. Our government of the people for the people force the people to buy insurance and when the insurance companies went bust like IAG in 2008 bailed out the insurance companies with the people money. These vulture insurance companies and the banks (one and the same) are truly the devil and they have thoroughly and completely corrupted our government. After this hurricane season the vultures raise premium because they have 'lost' money. Well, for 10 years prior to 2017 there weren't many 'losses' where did the premium money go, into a black hole? There are few raped victims who defend the rapist, perhaps you are one of this rare species? You are in the wrong like of work, go work for the vultures hopefully they will throw you a bone.
     
  10. LBZ

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    Grossly out of line! Someone who has actually owned a trucking & a compliance business was trying to show you how things worked in a polite, professional manner.

    The whole world is not a conspiracy against you. Re-read what you have written. You have admittedly failed half of your inspections & yet are ranting about IAG from 10 yrs ago? A bit of introspection & a little less tin foil hat tuning would go a long way.
     
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    brian991219 Road Train Member

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    Thanks LBZ! Some fellas just don't understand how the real world works. I love how he says we are forced to purchase insurance, not really - don't want to buy insurance just pony up enough collateral to be self-insured like the big boys are.
     
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