how to shift a international durastar with eaton 10 speed

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  1. clutch1979

    clutch1979 Bobtail Member

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    i have been driving F-650's for 4 years now. They put me in a durastar 10 speed 3 days ago. i can make it go, but i miss gears, my first day i'd have to stop and start over. my friend says to shift around 1500 rpms. my boss says to double clutch, thats hard. i cant downshift. is it true to add the two numbers of the mph and thats the gear you need. any help would be greatly appreaciated.
     
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  3. Kittyfoot

    Kittyfoot Crusty Ancient

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    So 60 mph would require 6th gear in a 10-spd? C'mon now.:biggrin_25513: Who makes this crap up?? :biggrin_25510:

    Sorry, but there's no magic mystery answer. You gonna have to just sit down and learn it. Honestly, it's not that hard. Yes, you shift around 1500 and you double clutch. On downshift, let rpm drop to around 1000 before shifting. The sequence goes like this..... 1000 rpm, clutch in tranny to neutral, clutch out. Rpm up to 1500, clutch in, tranny into next gear, clutch out. 10 spd straight trannys (or 15 etc) usually have a 500 rpm difference between gears; overdrives (13od, etc, etc) are usually 250 rpm.

    You can do this. Shoot, before long you'll do it without thinking. Remember tho..... USE THE DANG CLUTCH!!! Too many newbies try "floating" the gears (shifting without the clutch) and wind up dumping the guts of the tranny on the ground.
     
  4. kenkenni

    kenkenni Light Load Member

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    You know its funny. I was going to ask about floating the gears. I watched
    a few YouTube videos of shifting on Eaton Fullers. Most of those guys were
    floating the gears. No clutch, no grinding, just smooth shifting. Are the trans
    built like that by design or is it a design flaw that many prefer. Here is a good
    example video of shifting in action.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_8kOQv4V8Y
     
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    kenkenni Light Load Member

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    SprintCar Light Load Member

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    I have a 13 Speed as the videos show the upshifts are easy! The downshifts are another story. I diffenatly need more work with that!
     
  7. scorpiorias

    scorpiorias Light Load Member

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    For Eaton fuller 10 speed transmission, I start from 3rd gear. With load and at the same time on an incline, I prefer to start from 2nd or even 1st gear and let the clutch grab.
    Shifting for me happens around 1700 rpm. I am usually at the 6th gear right around 15mph. 9th is around and between 45mph and 55mph. So you can go figure what gear you should be in at 60mph.
    I use the same sequence for downshifting however, in most cases you have to double clutch and keep your rpm up to avoid grinding or missing. Nevertheless, it really depends on you level of experience and comfort with the equipment. Some of the old Gs shift with feel and without even clutching (the same way I shift in my 02 Altima). For a learner like me, when I am on that rig, I say my prayers.
     
  8. Kang

    Kang Bobtail Member

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    It's not like the 650 at all. You should find a trucker to help, it is almost impossible to figure out by yourself. Just remember that the gears aren't syncronized. Engine rpm relates to gear rpm.
     
  9. Scarecrow03

    Scarecrow03 Road Train Member

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    yes to begin with you can add the number of your mph to determine your gear. For example: 15 mph is the bottom end of 6th gear, 25 for 7th, 35 for 8th, 45 for ninth, and 55 for 10th. This is for upshifting only. When downshifting, you would want to be between 50 and 55 to go into 9th from 10th. If you get you RPMs up around 1400-1500 while in neutral between the two gears it should slide right into 9th with ease. You can float or double clutch. They say it's easier to double clutch for beginners and that's what I did in CDL school, but once I was away from that I floated the gears. Nowadays I shift without even looking at the tach or speedo. You'll get a feel for your truck and know when to shift and which gear you'll need to be in without even thinking about it.
     
  10. Kittyfoot

    Kittyfoot Crusty Ancient

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    Who the heck taught you it was alright to start off in 3rd? Downhill with a bob-tail maybe, but otherwise NO!!!

    Folks these days need a good dose of Old School. If you break it you get under there with the mechanic and help fix it. Believe me, when the mechanic gets thru cussing your stupidity and you've ruined your manicure you won't make that mistake again.

    Ever notice that us old guys get annoyed at all the automatic trannys and electronic controls? Guess why they're there..... it's because the trucking companys and the manufacturers think you guys are too stupid to learn the right way to do things.

    You should feel insulted.
     
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  11. The Challenger

    The Challenger Kinghunter

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    It all depends on the engine. when I drove the Volvo 64T610 that RM has (they have cummins N14 which are low rpm engines), I shifted # 1200 and had no problem shifting. Talk it out; it helped me.

    KH
     
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