HotShot Runaway

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  1. TommyTrucker88

    TommyTrucker88 Light Load Member

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    Hey guys so i was driving the other night and i came across something that got me a bit concerned and i wanted to see if i could get some answers and thoughts.
    I was climbing a hill at night and i seen a large load on a trailer. It was a backhoe.
    The driver was going pretty slow and i dident think anything of it untill i passed the driver and had to look twice cause i couldnt believe it was a hotshot pulling such a large load.
    Thats when my mind started asking questions.
    My concerns was about a runaway.
    On a semi we have breaks on all axels and wheels. and if we had to stop we would be able to even on a upgrade.
    But what would happen to a pickup pulling a trailer with such a large load, Do those trailers and pickups that have 5 wheels have any breaks on those trailers?
    And would a pickup have the power with its breaks alone to prevent such a large load to from running away and pulling him back down the hill?
     
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  3. Woodchuck88

    Woodchuck88 Medium Load Member

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    Yes they have trailer brakes, and a backhoe is b**** weight for a dually.
     
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  4. skellr

    skellr Road Train Member

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    They do, but not enough.
     
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    skellr Road Train Member

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    I seen a farmer hauling his tractor down a grade with a stup like that doing 80.

    No way they would be able to stop if they needed to. Probably needed to go that fast just so the brakes wouldn't catch on fire...
     
  6. STexan

    STexan Road Train Member

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    Those types of trucks have the same standards [to set maximum GVW’s] applied to them as any other trucks, such as the typical class 8 truck you’re comparing to.

    But anything can be overloaded but the point is he has a vehicle permit that states the maximum allowable gross vehicle weight that any law enforcement agency will use to see if he’s operating within legal bounds.

    Trailers, too must have sufficient brakes, suspension, and design characteristics in order to obtain a given weight certificate (title) from the state

    You can’t build a lightweight trailer like an 8 foot one-axle uhaul moving trailer and title it for 8,000 pounds GCW
     
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  7. J Rich

    J Rich Medium Load Member

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    His truck more than likely has a transmission brake as well. Like your truck has the engine brake. So, it is a ton better than descending down just on brakes alone. Back in the day when I drove a F550 16' flatbed. That tow/haul trans brake was a life saver.
     
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  8. Rubber duck kw

    Rubber duck kw Road Train Member

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    They've been pulling backhoes around behind one ton pickups for years. They're not really all that heavy I don't think, I know cattle buyers who have one ton dually dodges that'll pull 30k pounds of calves through the river hills on 44 in South Dakota at 70 mph, and those aren't real small hills.
     
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  9. Makeajump

    Makeajump Medium Load Member

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    Unless you mean a Trackhoe, and the diesel 1 ton pickups are coming with exhaust brakes now. I had a 1 ton Dodge Dualley with Cummins Diesel with exhaust brake that worked very well. Before that was a Chev. 3/4 ton Duramax Diesel with an exhaust brake that worked good too, but a big trackhoe would be too much for a pickup and a gooseneck trailer.
     
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  10. Hulld

    Hulld Road Train Member

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    Coming from someone who started with a 1 ton dodge dullay with an exhaust brake and a three car trailer and then a double deck 4 car trailer .
    The braking system is not even remotely close to effective in a panic stop let alone a down hill runway with like a broken drive shaft or something.
    I now run a full air brake tractor and trailer and would never go back to that set again.
    Also it’s not just the braking systems alone there are so many other issues ranging from ability to handle weight to sleeper arrangements.
     
  11. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    How much can you typically put on one of those?

    Also, what size backhoe are we talking about? There’s a pretty big difference between for example a 480 Case and a 710 John Deere.
     
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