HELP! PTO won't disengage...2000 Freightliner Century Class

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  1. talltexasgal

    talltexasgal Bobtail Member

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    Mechanic had also installed new PTO switch, new air line to transmission & PTO, and new check valve to PTO. We are now leaking oil too...he said it may be the seal leaking on the engine when they put in the tranny. Mechanic is working on it this morning. All should be warranty work. If he doesn't know how to fix these things or charges me another dime, I'll have to find another mechanic. Maybe I can find a youtube video to fix all this myself....hahaha! I have had way too many bad experiences with diesel mechanics here in San Antonio.
     
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  3. KW Cajun

    KW Cajun Road Train Member

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    Maybe the "mechanic" had valid reasons for changing all these items (I'm not there to see), but he honestly sounds more like a "trial & error parts changer", than a true mechanic. I never (emphasis on never) change any part unless I know that part to be faulty, worn beyond specs, or a cause of the problem. That is a golden rule for any good mechanic. Any monkey can be a parts changer and sooooner or later (after your $$ are exhausted) he'll hit on the right faulty part.

    PTO troubleshooting is one of the simplest problems to solve, compared to other truck/engine/driveline problems.
     
  4. GrapeApe

    GrapeApe Road Train Member

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    New check valve to PTO? A check valve could be causing the problem, if he installed a check valve so air can engage the PTO, but not let the air out to release it, then bingo. I have never seen a check valve on a PTO.
     
    KW Cajun Thanks this.
  5. KW Cajun

    KW Cajun Road Train Member

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    Bingo is right!! (still baffled how I missed seeing that "neon sign" in her last post)
    Yep, if that check valve is in the PTO air line... I believe you nailed it GrapeApe!
    And if so, their mechanic would really be a first hand "accomplice" to the problem.
     
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  6. Pablo-UA

    Pablo-UA Road Train Member

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    one more quation, electric (with clutch pedal switch) valve ore simple air valve?
     
  7. talltexasgal

    talltexasgal Bobtail Member

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    OK, finally got our truck back yesterday. Mechanic said the backlash, gaskets and shims were fine. He replaced our "air cylinder" (that's what he called it, but he wasn't sure what the part was actually called) with a used one he had on hand. Something about the air moves one piece into a "fork" that shuts off the air and that wasn't working as it should. Said the spring could have been weak. He sent that part back under warranty, and they bench-tested it and said it was working fine. I reviewed this PTO manual to try and understand what he was talking about, but I don't see a fork...
    http://www.parker.com/literature/Ch... List 2012/HY25-2442-M1_US_Final_09.21.12.pdf
    I'm still perplexed as to why we had the same problem before and after the new PTO. :(
    I asked Hubby to go under the truck and take a picture of the PTO for me so I could see what y'all are all talking about, but he said there's only a PTO box, and that's all there is to see. Everything else is hidden and/or inside the PTO box.
    Hubby said this is a simple air valve.
    The mechanic replaced the seal on the back of the engine, and the truck is not leaking oil anymore.
    Praise the Lord, Hubby has loaded and unloaded twice today, and he has not had any problems.
    Mechanic did not charge us anything and paid for the tow in last Sunday ($1,000 bucks!!), so I am thankful for that. We've been down all week, but hopefully we can get back on our feet financially now (no work for 2 months) and not break down again anytime soon!

    Thank y'all for your help and suggestions to get us back up and running!
     
  8. talltexasgal

    talltexasgal Bobtail Member

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    PS - I just found this online about a "check valve to PTO."
    "...Note that when installing the PTO air systems the installation of a pressure protection valve is required at the air tank. This valve is not a pressure regulator, it is a pressure check valve which does not allow air to the PTO system until the system air pressure exceeds approximately 65 PSI."
    http://www.munciepower.com/clientuploads/directory/Resources/IN/IN84-03.pdf
     
  9. KW Cajun

    KW Cajun Road Train Member

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    Thanks for letting us know the status/outcome so far.
    It's still a bit "troubling" for me, and maybe you too, as the "fix" doesn't appear to have an "ahaa" moment where anything definitively defective was found. Kinda just another "parts change".

    The "check valve" you describe is really a pressure supply valve, and it is fine & correct to install at the supply tank port. But when you said "installed new check valve to PTO", as GrapeApe pointed out (and I agree with), there should be NO, zero, nada, check valve anywhere in the air line from the PTO selector (engage/disengage) air valve to the cylinder or PTO itself. If there's a check valve in that part of the line/system, that's a major problem.
    It's ok to have the supply tank pressure protection valve, tho. It's actually a pressure valve, not a true check valve. It just prevents PTO engagement/operation if the supply pressure is too low (below 65 psi).

    The fork we referred to does not shut off air (as you worded via the mechanic). It is simply a shift fork, which is attached to the inside of the PTO's air unit side cover. The air cylinder unit on the PTO case slides this fork back & forth (to engage pto & to disengage pto), according to your PTO air switch position. The ends of the fork rest inside the smooth groove of the slider unit, alongside the engage/disengage output gear.
    You usually never see any pics of this fork, because once you take off the side cover (on cable or air shift), the fork comes off with the sidecover. Most pics of the PTO show just the PTO box with the sidecover and shift assembly already off.

    Here is a pic of the Chelsea PTO fork (Item #55 in your Parker pdf, page 5):
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    I hope you can continue on troublefree, and the PTO ends up working fine. But was really expecting an "Ahaa" kinda fix. Good luck!
     
  10. mtloads

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    I agree with Baha...ck not proper gasket PTO 2 trans its easy 2 add 1 gasket drain into clean 5 gal. bucket pump back in after adding 1 gasket gear clearance a must 2 work
     
  11. SL3406

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    I have a feeling they already have it fixed since this thread is over a year old.
     
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