Heavy Haul truck. Highway truck.

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  1. cmc308

    cmc308 Light Load Member

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    I have a general question I wish to put forth for response in order to educate myself against what I see everyday.
    I will frame my question with a statement:

    "Heavy haul" truck in comparison to "Highway" truck. I noticed that dealers "market" trucks by criteria such as "Heavy Haul" and "Highway". HP, gear ratio and axle weight leads the obvious factors. What I would like to know is... I see trucks that appear to be "Highway" trucks or regular OTR trucks, hauling what I see as "Heavy Haul" loads.
    My question(s):
    1. Are these, what appear to be "Highway" trucks, utilizing modified gears and transmissions to fill this role or are all trucks able to fill this role, barring any considerations such as low HP or "Tall gears" or axle weight limitations?
    I understand that some people/truckers will push their equipment to do things that it probably should not be doing. I am more interested in understanding how to properly choose and rig out your setup and not put money in places where it could be better utilized elsewhere.

    2. When a company or individual decides to choose their direction, for instance - "hypothetical": I want to do strictly "Heavy Haul" with some occasional need to travel greater distances with a heavy load, say, across state lines or over several state lines? At what point does the equipment choice become critical with regards to longevity? In other words, I assume I will need higher HP, lower gears, increased axle weight rating and possibly a strengthened frame.

    Another thing I noticed about these marketing approaches... The trucks that are presented as "Highway" trucks, they talk about fuel economy. "Heavy Haul" trucks do not have that in their marketing ploy. It is obvious that you will lose mileage for various reasons due to setup?
    My question is... Won't you lose or achieve similar mileage if your truck is not typically or properly set up or modified for this type of work?
    What is the trade off and how do you decide how to rig your truck?

    Please keep in mind that I am a rookie. I am simply trying to understand the proper way to choose the right tool for the job. When I am able to wash the "rookie" off of myself and have several years of experience under my belt, I would like to find myself doing heavy haul work. So, I am beginning my homework now. Furthermore, I would rather hear from real truckers and not salesman regarding these differences. I am in no danger of doing this anytime soon.
     
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  3. cmc308

    cmc308 Light Load Member

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    To provide a frame of reference for my question.... I was examining the Mack website. That is how my question originated.
     
  4. SHC

    SHC Spoiled Rotten Brat O/O

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    Any truck can be ordered to "spec". Per day a "highway" truck, which is ordered spec'd for highway use. And a "Heavy Haul" truck which is spec'd to do just that, haul heavy loads.

    If you are going to run over the road, hauling general freight with a gross average weight of 80,000 lbs, a highway truck is all you need.

    And a heavy haul truck is only needed when hauling heavy loads, and are not usually needed for any other reason.

    Im guessing your real question is that u want to know why someone wouldn't buy a "heavy haul" truck instead of a "highway" truck? You view a heavy haul truck as being better built and able to handle more stress and more durable.

    Truth is, a heavy haul truck, pulling general freight would have just as many problems, if not more. They usually have very tall gears and high HP motors which equate to terrible fuel mileage. Which is the #1 expense as a O/O.

    A HH truck can be used OTR, but not very reasonably.
     
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  5. Superhauler

    Superhauler TEACHER OF MEN

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    you can take an over the road truck and do heavy haul with it. but you will need to be vigilant with it on the maintance. all my trucks were just over the road trucks i built in to heavyhaul trucks. last just as long as a heavyhaul spec truck. you just cant abuse it.
     
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  6. cmc308

    cmc308 Light Load Member

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    Please elaborate. You say that you took all your highway trucks and built into HH trucks?
    1. What changes did you make? Transmission? Gears? Suspension?
    2. How will your maintenance patterns and frequencies change?
    3. Will the highway to heavy modifications affect MPG much or not much at all?
    4. Can you still expect to get greater than 1 mil miles from such rigs or are they shorter life expectancy equipment?
     
  7. Superhauler

    Superhauler TEACHER OF MEN

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    install a lift axle (4th axle) heavier clutch, larger radiator, reratio rears if needed, 16 ply tires instead of 14 ply, and yes mpg will drop because your pulling longer and harder. i had one truck that had over 1 mil on it before it was rebuilt. it's how you drive it that makes a big difference. grease it every 5000 miles change oil every 10 to 15 thous. miles. thats just some of the things i do.
     
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  8. cmc308

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    1. What truck brand did you choose for this setup?
    2. What engine brand did you achieve the 1 mil miles with? Did you haul heavy and normal highway with this setup?
    3. What is your transmission on this rig?
    4. Axle rating on this rig?
    I only ask these things to understand individual setups. I am not interested in brand warfare. I know the competition is fierce among the manufacturers.
     
  9. Superhauler

    Superhauler TEACHER OF MEN

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    i run kw w900's, cat engines, 18 and 13 spd's ag400 airride 40000lb suspension with 13200 front axle modified to 14600lbs pulling anywhere from 130000lbs to 147000lbs.
     
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  10. cmc308

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    Nice. So the W900 was not originally built to the spec you mention? This was a modification to suit your need? Regarding your pulling weights.... 130k to 140k, is that gross combined or is that the equipment weight your hauling?
    You mentioned a fourth axle. Are you referring to a trailer axle? Do you have a third axle on the truck or just tandem?
     
  11. Superhauler

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    4th axle mounted on the truck, thats gross weight i run 8 axles all together. 4 axle truck 3 axle trailer and single axle booster on rear of trailer.in the heavyhaul pic thread i have a pic of my outfit to give you an idea.
     
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