Headlight Wiring W900

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  1. RollinCoal02

    RollinCoal02 Bobtail Member

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    My construction company purchased a project 97 Kenworth w900. Were basically redoing most of the truck. Im stuck on the headlights. Im not exactly sure the sequence how they are supposed to work.

    My thoughts are in the dim mode the outside lights are supposed to be lit up bright and the insides are supposed to be dimly illuminated, and when you flip to highs all 4 lights come on?

    Right now i have 5V on one wire, 10V on another wire, and a ground. when the highs are switched, it flips polarity to the wires. so i get one bright light and one dim light all the time. any help is appreciated!!
     
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  3. RollinCoal02

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    after working on it some more the only way it will actually work properly is the outsides have a constant 5v, the insides on low have 10V. when highs are switched, the insides get 15V to make them brighter and the outsides stay at 5v. Is this correct?

    Also i have some sort of gremlin on the drivers side harness. if unplugged the passenger side will power just fine. once the drivers side is plugged in the headlight relay clicks on and off in no particular sequence. flashing both headlights on and off, completely randomly.

    Iv switched relays and pulled pins in the drivers side headlight harness, as long as a light is powered and grounded the power starts flickering, regardless which pins are powered.
     
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    Sublime Road Train Member

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    Low beam: outside lights lit, inside lights NOT lit.
    High beam: all 4 lights lit.
     
  5. AModelCat

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    Sounds like a poor connection in the harness. Both drivers and passenger side harnesses see a lot of flex at the hood hinges over the years. That clicking is most likely the headlight circuit breaker. They should be self reseting as a safety feature so you don't lose your headlights completely if a power wire grounds out at night. Once you sort out the wiring, I'd replace the breaker since they weaken with age and repeated tripping.
     
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  6. 04 LowMax

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    I agree with NM re the harness. Those voltages don't make sense, except under the condition of bad grounds, or power wires shorting to ground. Should be either 0 volts, or 13.7 (or whatever your system runs at.) 5 and 10 volts is indicative of a very bad connection, or as I mentioned, a partial short to ground. The very first thing I'd check is an ohm check right at your headlight plug in. (Unplug from the headlamp to do this check). One of the three should be 0 ohms when measured to a good ground spot on the frame or engine. If you don't have that, they're not going to work right. If you have good grounds, then you need to work back on your harness and see if you can find a bad spot. It's probably not going to be easily visible, will look ok on the outside, but be rubbed through, cracked, broken, or green on the inside. Good luck! If you need help on how to do the ohm check with your meter, just ask, be glad to walk you thru it.
     
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  7. RollinCoal02

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    Thanks for the quick replies! I got the flickering figured out now, There was a 20A breaker in the 30A headlight spot, switched it with a 30A breaker, lights turn on with out flickering.

    I have 0 ohms on both power wires at the headlights. The lighting sequence is still messed up and i have no idea what the problem is, i have tried switching the pins but i always have one dim 5v headlight and a bright 10v headlight. This is with the truck not running.
     
  8. AModelCat

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    I know the old A model KW's had just a single switch with no relay powering the headlights. The switches were known to burn up, causing dim lights or loss of lights. If you have no headlight relay I would check and see what you're getting for power supplied to the switch and through the switch before tracing the harness.

    Ohms is not always an accurate test TBH. I've been fooled once or twice by a harness or component that showed 0 ohms. You need to have a load on the circuit. Best way is stick a battery charger on the truck and turn on the headlights. Then measure the voltages. Anything less than battery voltage at any given point in the circuit indicates a resistance. Maximum voltage loss for a 12 volt circuit is 0.5v (this includes positive and ground side).
     
  9. RollinCoal02

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    i do have a battery charger on it, with brand new batteries. along with a new dimmer switch. Its more like 10.5v and 5.3v. at the headlights. I have a breaker and a relay for the headlights in the fuse box. I will check power at the switch.
     
  10. AModelCat

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    Have you tried swapping the relay with another? Since that headlight relay is more than likely attached directly to the headlights, I would check power there as well. Have you checked the back side of the fuse panel as well? If its mounted to the firewall below the windshield, the connections and wiring on the back side of the panel can become corroded if the windshield has ever leaked.
     
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  11. Sublime

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    This might be a better idea than trying to fix the crusty old wiring. We redid an old 379 this way and the headlights are phenomenal now.
     

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