Hauling Small Quantities of HazMat

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Hammilton, Jul 4, 2012.

  1. Autocar

    Autocar Road Train Member

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    You can't base placarding off of only 2 paragraphs.
    Here is another paragraph
    172.504(c) contains an exception from the placarding requirement for shipments that contain less 454 kg (1,001 pounds) of Table 2 materials. A frequent problem encountered involves the 1,001 lbs. exception. The 1,001 lbs. is aggregate gross weight. Aggregate gross weight is the total weight of all hazardous materials and its packaging loaded on a single transport vehicle. For example, if a vehicle has 1,500 lbs. of Class 3 materials and 50 lbs. of Class 8 materials, you would have to placard for both Class 3 and Class 8.There are additional requirements for placarding such as:

    [TABLE]
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    [TD]Placarding for subsidiary hazard [/TD]
    [TD]Bulk packages [/TD]
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    [TD]Providing and affixing placards by Highway [/TD]
    [TD]Visibility and display of placards [/TD]
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    [TD]Special placarding provisions by Highway [/TD]
    [TD]General specifications for placards [/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD]Providing and affixing placards by Rail [/TD]
    [TD] There is a section for each placard that gives an example and describes it. [/TD]
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    [TD]Special placarding provisions by Rail [/TD]
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    [TR]
    [TD]Freight containers and aircraft unit load devices [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    NOTE: FOR SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR PREPARATION OF SHIPMENTS YOU MUST USE THE MOST CURRENT EDITION OF 49 CFR.
     
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  3. fireba11

    fireba11 Heavy Load Member

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    Well, if you gotta ask, then you probably shouldn't be hauling any hazmat material. Not trying to be mean, just practical.
     
  4. CAXPT

    CAXPT Road Train Member

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    After banging my head, and unless my calculations are off, each 55 Gal Barrel should have approximately 481.104 lbs. X 2 = 962.208 lbs., so no this in only 2 barrels would not require placarding unless it was a lower reportable quantity substance which this doesn't seem to be.

    No, these according to your MSDS's are Class 8 Oxidizers.

    This makes 3 containers, all Class 8 and definitely now over 1001 pounds, aggregate...so placarding would be required at this point.

    That's why you ask, ask and ask again....and read it all over again yourself. As you can see from the discussions, sometimes even people that do it all the time have to re-read the information and rules and regulations because you can forget EXACTLY what's needed.

    When you start mixing and matching different kinds of Hazmat it brings on a whole new complexity and knowledge requirements. Some you can't even put together in the same truck.

    Good Luck
     
  5. Hammilton

    Hammilton Bobtail Member

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    The issue with the paperwork is interesting. Do we actually need any when we're shipping it to ourselves? what happens is we receive the materials in at a warehouse then move it over to the plants as needed. Each barrel has a corrosive 8 diamond on it. I don't deal with the receiving end for the stuff, never did it, but I've obviously transported it after we received it. We don't inventory the stuff really even, just reorder it when we run low I think. Not sure now.

    I have no idea how we're insured. That's above me
     
  6. wis bang

    wis bang Road Train Member

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    Anytime you transport a placarded amount of HM you need the whole package, placards, proper shipping documents, labels on the drums, MDSD =-or- the current Emergency response guidebook.

    Oh yeah, the paperwork and EG book need to be within your reach when your seatbelt is fastened...

    You DO have HM on your CDL correct?
     
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  7. Autocar

    Autocar Road Train Member

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    You (actually your company) when transporting any freight, off of company property on public roads, is considered a private carrier, subject to all state and Federal rules, regulations and laws.
    If caught, off of company property, improperly transporting hazmat, it could get very expensive for both the driver and the company.
     
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  8. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    It's complicated and I can see why so many drivers did it mixed up. First you need to have the regulations because guessing in this field will land you in jail. Second you need to know what you're hauling. It doesn't matter if you go 100 miles or 10 feet if you're on the highway you've got to be legal. Third it doesn't matter what the weight of the vehicle is because if you're hauling HM you need a CDL.

    Use the regulations and not what someone told you. This thread is a good example how it can get all mixed up. A hazardous substance is a world of difference than a hazardous material. And RQ does not mean that you require a placard. The RQ stands for "Reportable Quantities" and the amount specific spilled that must be reported to the 800 number on your shipping papers.

    You must have shipping papers to go with the material and on those papers the proper shipping name should be listed. Use the proper shipping name and refer to the regulations for all your information.

    There's a few guide books out there for hazmat but all the shipping regulations come out of CFR 49 parts 100 to 177 Transportation. The table that list all your hazardous matieral is on §172.101. So until we all know what it says on the shipping papers NO ONE can say if your load needs to be placarded.

    It's hard to read because it was written by the government but you must follow all references given in a reg. It might say to do this if you fall under (USED ONLY AS A REFERENCE) §171.101 (c) if not go to §173.901. You've got to make sure you read and understand all because there's plenty of points that can get you into trouble. The table in §172.101 is used the most and it will tell you what is needed.

    For us to tell you if you need placards you've got to start with the proper shipping name that is listed on the shipping papers. You can not guess what the product is. Even if you know what it is the proper shipping name might be different. That's where you start.

    It is the shippers responsibility to provide placards along with the shipping papers. But it is the drivers responsibility to enuse you get them and place them. Again CFR 49 parts 100 to 177 will tell you how big the placards must be and where you must place them. That's the first step, don't leave home without them!
     
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