I intend to purchase my own truck for short haul deliveries of sand, gravel, and topsoil. This will of course involve making trips to the local gravel pit.
I am hoping to get some practical advice from some of you folks with regard to the vehicle specs I should keep in mind to get the best bang for my buck.
I have the equivalent of about $70,000 USD to spend and although I know you don't get as much today for that kind of money as in the past, I would like to know:
1. What engine size would be ideal for a 16 foot box (42" height) on 11R22.5 tires. Assuming 14,600 Front Axle & 40,000 Rears.
2. For fuel economy etc. would an Eaton Fuller 8 or 18 speed be best or an Allison automatic?
3. What is the best air bag suspension for the truck and the cab? Hendrickson?
4. What kind of mileage and/or hours should I be looking at for the dollars I have to spend?
I have no preferences for the make of truck as I have only driven a Volvo with an Eaton 18 speed and a Freightliner automatic. It does appear that a lot of body job gravel trucks in our area are equipped with the 8LL.
I am new to this forum and fairly new to the trucking industry so thank you in advance for any information you can provide.
First time purchase of body job tandem dump truck
Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by oldveg, Feb 11, 2014.
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1: Will you be doing lots of off-road work, staying almost exclusively on the roads, what sort of terrain are you driving in, etc? Do you know what sort of rear end gears you'll be running?
2: 8LL won't save you anything on fuel... it's basically a 9 speed with a low range option on the low side. And, if you get stuck in mud, chances are, it won't be enough to get you out. Personally, I'd opt for the 18 speed.
3:I wouldn't go air ride on a dump truck, personally. Peterbilt, IIRC, has some hybrid vocational truck suspension which uses air and a beam, but I don't know a whole lot about it. You see an air ride on a dump, it's usually a road tractor with a dump body slapped on it. As for vocational truck suspensions, opinions vary... I like the Hendrickson Walking Beam... others prefer the ##### Back or Chalmers.
4: I really don't know your market, and it's been some time since I've looked at used truck prices.
Talk to some dump truck owners in your area. Ask them how their trucks are spec'd, why they went with those specs, etc.
By the way, the word that got censored by this forum's filters... I wasn't swearing at you.. the word I was using there was the name given to this animal:
So, yeah... I was sayingBack suspension.
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All good advice.
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I've got a 99 Freightliner with a m-11 370 hp. 8ll with 4:10 on 22.5 great set up on my Tri axle. Avg 6-6.5. 18 speed might be over kill but an 8ll is better than a 13 for dirt. Make sure to get full lockers, save a pull out 90% of time. Buy the air ride for sure, saves abuse on body and truck plus you can put a air scale gauge on to stay legal or at least stay away from scales. Good luck!
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I don't like air ride on vehicles that see heavy shifting loads or lots of off-road use. Walking beam, Mack camelback or whatever that rubber block one is called, are tough to beat. They'll beat you up when empty, but you're not buying a dump truck to drive around empty. Once you load them up, they're nice and and smooth, with none of the mushy wallowing of an air ride setup.
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lots of good advice , checkout TRUCK PAPER lots of dump trucks listed in Canada for less than $70,000.00
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I've got 18000 frt. 46000 rear Hendrickson. Never had back trouble until this truck and I was a lot younger. Installed a link air ride on cab it helped alot. Got me through 13 yrs. but I would by air next time. Dirt only shifts going out gate or your in process of going over!
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How much weight do you plan to haul? Will you be working by the hour, by the ton, or by the load? These questions will point to the right specs for what you want to do. I have a tandem axle Pete dump on air ride. It works just fine for me. The 18 speed and full lockers would be big advantages if you can find a truck speced with them. I personally wouldn't spend $70k on a truck just starting out unless you have plenty of steady work lined up. It will be easy to upgrade to a better truck later when you have the work to support it.
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Thanks to everyone who took the time to respond. I am very impressed with this forum.
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Regarding weight, I am not sure. If I'm hauling sand, gravel and topsoil, the heaviest load would be wet sand. The majority of the work will probably be topsoil. Until I decide on a specific truck, and the size of box it will have, I won't know the weight. I would also think the best approach is to charge by the ton since it will all be local delivery (10 to 20 mile radius of home). In your area, what do you have to pay for a decent truck that would suit my needs and doesn't have more than 500K on the odometer?
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