Explanation about weight needed

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  1. midwest_trucker

    midwest_trucker Bobtail Member

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    Hello!
    I am from Ukraine, have been a truck driver for last 10 years there.
    I had completely different weight system there, so I need you help with it. Really appreciate it.
    I am looking for a truck here, like Kenworth W900 or T800, and as I see different specifications have different axle weights. Some of them has 40000 and 12000, some 44000 and 12000, some 44000 and 14400 and also 46000 and 14400 etc.
    So I need your help to understand all of that info.
    I am going to haul reefer loads (for example 44k pounds load), which of these specifications will work for me and why?
    Maybe you can give me a good calculation formula etc.
    I really really appreciate any help
    Thank you and stay safe!
     
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  3. Allow Me.

    Allow Me. Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    well you can only gross 34k on drive axles and 12k on the steer axle. (legally) So a truck manufacturer that says 40k is allowed on their axles means you could load 40K on their axle and they would be able to handle weightwise. But not legal wise. A 44K payload, which is the weight of the product in the trailer, will work with what you are asking about. So, 44K in the trailer means your truck and trailer can weigh 36K empty including all fuel, gear and bodies. If you get really close to your legally allowed weight when loading, you can fudge a little by running with 1/2 full tanks ( a gal of fuel weighs about 8 lbs) or sliding the trailer tandems forward or rearward. There are trailers also with spread axles, like you see on flatbeds. You can have 40K on the 4th and 5th axle but you still need to gross out at 80K lbs. Hope this helps. Also, if you get in a delima, ask a fellow driver for help.
     
  4. thaistick

    thaistick Road Train Member

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    You are incorrect concerning the steers, and the drive weights differ in some states, and I chose to stop there since the bold text gives me a headache.....
     
  5. Dino soar

    Dino soar Road Train Member

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    To make it simple most tractors have 12,000 lb front axles and 40,000 lb rear axles and that is plenty for the regular legal loads that you pull every day of a maximum 80,000 lb.

    Over 80,000 lb you have to have permits to be overweight and that's not considered to be just a regular load. The regular reefer loads that you will pull are not over 80,000 pounds.

    When you see heavier axles like 44000 lb or 46000 lb rears, and you see 16000 lb front axles and that type of thing, that usually is either for a dump truck or for a truck that regularly pulls overweight loads, beyond the regular 80,000 lb legal loads.
     
  6. abyliks

    abyliks Road Train Member

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    Most newer set of 40s will be fine for ~75% of all trucking, especially general freight, I run 100.000+ on a set of 40k-404s and a 12 front, might want to go to a 13,2 or 14,6 if you have a curb sniffer though as you have a better chance of actually putting weight up front, only real difference between that and a 46k is the actual housings, a frame slipper by the 5th wheel, and in some cases axle sizes and suspension, (unless you start getting into the really big rears ~52k+)

    And of course I nor anyone on ttr would advocate running overweight, but even if you find yourself “close” on a reefer load that may pay by 100 weight/pallet, you should still be fine with 40s
     
  7. midwest_trucker

    midwest_trucker Bobtail Member

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    but if my weight is already 14600 and 46000 or 13200 and 44000 (w900 for example), it is already exceeded 12k and 34k, right? or am I thinking wrong? I am going to haul 44k loads and I want to be under 80k federal law.
    Thank you!
     
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  8. abyliks

    abyliks Road Train Member

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    I never have more then 11,020 on my w900, whether I am empty or have 80,000
    IN the trailer

    your trailer will still get 34-40k on it.

    Most 40,000 pound rears have 3/8” housings instead of 1/2” and no frame slipper along with some other differences, so they are lighter to begin with
     
  9. Allow Me.

    Allow Me. Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    The OP is confusing axle ratings with axle weights. The truck is rated for 44K drives and 12K steer axle. This is the rating, NOT the weight.
     
  10. midwest_trucker

    midwest_trucker Bobtail Member

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    I think you are right!
    I am looking for truck like this one https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/212122567/2014-kenworth-w900l?CTRY=USA and ask myself- how can I drive this truck if I already exceed weight limit?
    It has
    Front Axle Weight
    13,200 lb
    Rear Axle Weight
    46,000 lb
    which actual weight does this truck has by axle? Where can I find it?
     
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  11. LtlAnonymous

    LtlAnonymous Road Train Member

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    Respect the staff, sir. Please.
     
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