Engine Repower

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Dino soar, Feb 20, 2019.

  1. Dino soar

    Dino soar Road Train Member

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    It would be best if there was some kind of specific guidance to that.

    In most of the examples, the year of the replacement engine wasn't far off from the year of the truck. So we're talkin more like a 2001 truck with a 99 engine. Maybe that's like a gray area that they overlook.

    I wonder what they would say about an 2015 truck with a mechanical engine vs an 01 with a mechanical engine?

    I guess they would either say you were not ELD capable so get out of here, or they would throw the book at you, lol.

    On at least a newer trucks that have def, that would make me nervous that they would say that you're tampering with emissions by putting an older engine in.

    I don't know if EGR would count for that, but I think that started in 03. The def and all that nonsense started I think in 2010 or 2011?
     
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  3. adayrider

    adayrider Road Train Member

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    I think you would be hard pressed to convince a cop along side the road that you are ELD or emissions exempt in a 2015 truck with a 99 engine. No matter if legal.
     
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  4. Ridgeline

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    If you are talking about man '97 engine in a 2001, that would not be an issue. But a 2015 with the same engine, well won't fly.
     
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  5. Dino soar

    Dino soar Road Train Member

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    Here is some information from FMCSA that says it is the year of the engine not year of the truck. It specifically talks about trucks being repowered with older engines.

    Apparently it is legal to repower newer trucks with older engines, even mechanical engines.

    When does the pre-2000 model year exception apply?
     
  6. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    Yes but there are a couple catches, the first the epa rule supersedes the fmcsa, the fmcsa doesn’t deal with emissions regulations.

    The second is the state is the actual one who enforces these regulations and like the fmcsa refs being used as the states, the same goes for epa even in California.

    So the same issue arises.

    When you put a 1998 engine in a 2010, it is not legal.

    One other thing that many don’t seem to understand is how gliders work, the title for the truck used to go with the drive train because the serial of the engine was recorded as the prime identifier, but now they issue titles for the gliders as I see from a few in my records as assembled vehicles with a non-state vin (acceptable) being used as the prime identifier. It was explained to me how it all worked some time in the 60’s by my uncle who had a large fleet. The reason for gliders in the first place was to allow an owner to use the same power unit and drive train with a new cab and chassis, then it became a tax thing in the late 50’s. This allowed someone to use a dependable setup without going through the problems or expanse of a new unit, a lot of engines never saw more than 200k on them before a complete rebuild.
     
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  7. Dino soar

    Dino soar Road Train Member

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    @Ridgeline

    If that is the case then I would have to be under the belief that anything that is non emission you could put any engine that you wanted to.

    So what year did emissions start on the trucks? Did it begin with EGR or did it begin with the D E F and all of that nonsense?

    And what year trucks did EGR begin and the D E F and all that begin?
     
  8. Ridgeline

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    2003 is the year we would have to use, that was when EGR systems were going on the trucks. The EPA has listed engines from 1998 to date as part of their emission reduction program with 2007 and 2010 listed as major checkpoints in the program.

    I know that one truck I owned a while back was ok with the state, it was a 2002 with a '96 engine in it, mainly because it wasn't considered an emission engine. So 2003 and newer.
     
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    Just talked to custom truck and they are getting in new Pete's with Cummings engines removing them and repowering with 1999 cats and state it is 100 ,% legal as long as they are not buying the truck. The owner brings the truck to them.
     
  10. dirthaller

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    There’s a shop here in SLC that’s been installing old Cats in late model Cummins powered trucks.
     
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    kemosabi49 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I'm pretty sure that outside of gliders that are manufactured and delivered as such, replacing an engine in a truck with an engine that does not meet the emissions requirements for that year model is illegal. I'm sure many do and get away with it.
     
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