Emergencies and adverse driving

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  1. bigdaddy cool

    bigdaddy cool Bobtail Member

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    I am running an electronic logs system that is connected directly to the truck through the ECM. I am running Can cycle 1 70/7. I see a spot for me to make a deferal of time, but I don't see how I would extend my time due to bad weather like waiting for a avalanche to be cleared. if i place a note in my electronic logs like i would paper logs stating "waiting for a avalanche to be cleared" the machine is going to tell me i am in violation but my printed logs will show my notes will this cut it with enforcement?
     
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  3. DoneYourWay

    DoneYourWay Light Load Member

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    according to my company logs dept, if you run into an adverse driving condition (FMCSA §§395.1(b)(1), 395.2) and continue to drive beyond your remaining HOS then you will receive a log violation

    §395.2 Definitions
    "Adverse driving conditions means snow, sleet, fog, other adverse weather conditions, a highway covered with snow or ice, or unusual road and traffic conditions, none of which were apparent on the basis of information known to the person dispatching the run at the time it was begun."

    the work-around at my company to avoid the log violation is driver should stop driving before running out of HOS, then call logs and describe the adverse situation that is detaining driver and running down their HOS clock, the logs dept will then decide if driver's situation is actually adverse and if they decide it is adverse then logs dept can invoke the "16-hour rule" and update driver's logs to avoid a log violation
     
  4. bigdaddy cool

    bigdaddy cool Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the the reply.

    When I am traveling in the mountain roads and have no cell coverage (hence the avalanche example) what would be a good course of action?
     
  5. jbee

    jbee Medium Load Member

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    Adverse Driving Conditions 395.1(b)(1)

    In case of any emergency, a driver may complete his/her run without being in violation of the provisions of the regulations in this part, if such run reasonably could have been completed absent the emergency.


    If the following conditions apply, then you can drive for up to 2 additional hours (
    13 hours total, as long as you do not exceed your 14-hour rule) All Steps must be met- see the steps below.

    1) You unexpectedly run into snow, sleet, fog or other bad weather or a highway covered with Snow or Ice or usual road or traffic condition

    2)The person who dispatched your run was NOT and could not have been aware of those conditions

    3) The run is one that you could have normally complete in 11 hours and

    4) You are able to complete the (extended) run without exceeding the 14 or 70-hour limits

    YOU CAN NOT use the adverse driving conditions exception for delays that YOU should have known about, such as congested traffic during rush hour.


    Like DoneYourWay stated, best to check with your safety or log department.
     
  6. Meltom

    Meltom Road Train Member

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    Document the situation with a comment on your elogs, review the situation with your safety department to see if you meet their/FMCSA standards for using it. As far as I was concerned when I did this we left it as a violation with documentation. In the event of a roadside or audit it will be subject to a third party interpretation of the regulation and the situation.
     
  7. bigdaddy cool

    bigdaddy cool Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the reply.

    In case you missed it I am running CAN 70/7 cycle 1 so I can always drive 13 hours and be on duty 14 the adverse allows me, if i meet the conditions, an avalanche through Rogers pass would do that , another 2 hours but my trouble is when out of cell coverage how do i show it on my electronic system if there is no special option for it?

    see reg below

    76. (1) The requirements of these Regulations in respect of driving time, on-duty time and off-duty time do not apply to a driver who, in an emergency, requires more driving time to reach a destination that provides safety for the occupants of the commercial vehicle and for other users of the road or the security of the commercial vehicle and its load.
    (2) A driver who encounters adverse driving conditions while operating the vehicle during a trip south of latitude 60°N may extend the permitted 13 hours of driving time specified in sections 12 and 13 and reduce the 2 hours of daily off-duty time required by subsection 14(3) by the amount of time needed to complete the trip if:
    (a) the driving, on-duty and elapsed time in the elected cycle is not extended more than 2 hours;
    (b) the driver still takes the required 8 consecutive hours of off-duty time; and
    (c) the trip could have been completed under normal driving conditions without the reduction.
     
  8. bigdaddy cool

    bigdaddy cool Bobtail Member

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    thanks that what i did. i know i am legal, but the edriver log i am running just is not built with a beefy enough set of rules to cover the weird stuff.
     
  9. DoneYourWay

    DoneYourWay Light Load Member

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    hats off to Canada drivers! y'all deal with some hard core weather issues that inspire creativity

    when our cell coverage fails we send Qualcomm messages to our DMs, this is preferable to cell convos anyway because a QC message generates a document trail with a time-stamp that no one can tamper with or claim they did not receive

    if your sat signal is failing you, maybe you can take pictures with a camera/phone that has a date/time stamp?
     
    bigdaddy cool Thanks this.
  10. D33RHUNT3R

    D33RHUNT3R Medium Load Member

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    Another good reason to run teams .. just switch drivers :) problem solved ..
     
  11. bigdaddy cool

    bigdaddy cool Bobtail Member

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    true but then i might have to talk to my co driver :O_o_1PIRATES28: yuck :biggrin_25525:
     
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