Easiest Engine To Work On?

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  1. linden

    linden Bobtail Member

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    I was talking to a diesel mechanic the other day and I asked him which of the four truck engines (Cat, Cummins, Detroit, or VED) was the easiest to work on. This, ignoring availability and cost of parts.
    He said that two were the more difficult, one was so so and one one was far easier than the others. The answer surprised me. Of course he said it was only his opinion that Cat and Detroit were the more difficult, Cummins was the so so and VED was the easier. He said that his answer might be biased as he worked for a dealer and when a VED came in, it was usually assigned to him and he worked on Cummins more than the others.
    I wonder if there are any mechanics out there who agree or disagree with this opinion.
    I know that this will probably generate some cute remarks but I would also appreciate some honest answers.
    Thanks to all.
     
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  3. wndrwtr

    wndrwtr Medium Load Member

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    Spent many years working on heavy equipment...I'm a CAT man myself (B model prefered)
     
  4. linden

    linden Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the reply.
    Sorry if I didn’t make myself clear.
    My question was not about the best engine but about the easiest to work on.
    I have been talking to a mechanic who has never worked on a truck, but has many years working on diesel and gasoline tractors. His hobby is restoring old cars.
    He has agreed to do a complete inframe overhaul of any truck I might buy, and dress up the body and interior. After, I plan to have a local Mack dealer give it a complete DOT inspection.
    I want to buy the latest model I can get for the cheapest price, so I ask my question about the easiest to work on. Wanted to make the labor effort as easy as possible.
    I am not interested in resale value so think I can get a later model truck with a VED than a Cat, Cummins, or Detroit at a less expensive cost. Bottom line, which engine would be easier to work on?
    Thanks an insights.
     
  5. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    If VED means Volvo then by all means run like heck.
    I've never heard any thing good about them.
     
  6. BearGator56

    BearGator56 "The G stands for GOOD!"

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    Cummins and Detroit are the easiest to find service for. I don't know that any of them are harder/easier to work on-just depends on what the tech is experienced on. I have a Cummins N14. Everyone I have talked to sayss it is a very reliable engine. So far, so good at 535k.

    I haven't heard anything bad about Volvo engines, other than they are hard to find a shop that can work on them. You have to take it to a Volvo dealership in most cases. Most Volvos I have seen are spec'ed with Cummins or Detroits.

    I only knew one guy with a Cat.
     
  7. linden

    linden Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the objective answer.
    I am looking at Volvos with VED (among others) as I feel that I can get a 2000 or 2001 at a very inexpensive cost. I have reliable information that I can readily obtain parts so there should be no problen for the mechanic who will work on it. I can't believe that companies would buy fleets of these things were they to be as bad a some apparently think they are.
    Bear in mind I want to get a starter truck that will only have to last for a year or two. Then a determination will probably be made about a newer rig.

    Now for my next dumb question.

    I would probably have to go to an older truck ( mid to late 90's) but I think a pretty good KW T600 or something equivalent with a Cummins 430-460 HP can be had at a very good price. The reason they are so cheap seems to be they have a nine speed transmission with overdrive.
    What can I expect were I to buy a truck with nine speed and OD versus a ten, thirteen, or fifteen speed? How much higher cost of operation, MPG be, if any?
    Remember, I don't want this thing to last forever and resale value is of no interest to me at this time.
    Thanks to all.
     
  8. Burky

    Burky Road Train Member

    9 speeds have fallen out of favor with the buying public, though only a few years ago they were as common as could be. I drove a truck with a 9 speed, and assuming that you are staying under 80,000 pounds, there is no realistic reason to avoid them. They will do everything that a 10 speed does, do not work the engine any harder, and having the same final drive ratio as the ten speed trans, they get the same mileage going down the highway. In most cases, a 13 speed is nothing more than a 9 speed with an extra box mounted on that splits the upper 4 gears. And though most super truckers deny it, most drivers with a 13 speed drive it like a nine speed anyhow.

    As for engines, a popular fleet choice is a 435 hp Cummins. There are tons of them in fleet service, which makes them very common. They are not expensive to work on and there is a large group of people with experience in working on the Cummins motor. And, should you desire to go up in hp at some point in the future, the 435 hp model can be upgraded to a 500 for very little money. It's mainly a software upgrade, for which you have to buy the computer access code from Cummins, and the installation of a replacement pressure senson in the intake tract that runs roughly in the 125-150 dollar range. So for about 250-300 o so, any Cummins dealer and many aftermarket shops can upgrade the engine to higher hp specs. And most trucks specced with that engine are slightly over equipped in the trans and rear end package, so they can handle the increased torque from the higher hp.

    I know you have shown interest in the Volvo engines, but there are lots of reasons why people do not recommend them. My choice would be a Cummins or Detroit long before I would ever allow a Volvo engine under my hood. The Volvo tends to be a bit of a gamble, and I am just not that much of a risk taker. If i am buying a used truck, I want the most commonly available, easily repairable engine i an get, and just because some people say that the Volvo is easy to actually work on, doesn't make up for it's other reputations. Were I buying new with a full warranty attached, then maybe I would consider one, but when I have to pay for the repairs, then I want the least expensive to fix, most reliable engine I can get my hands on.
     
  9. linden

    linden Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the advice.
    I seem to be taking up a lot of space asking questions, but am learning what I think is useful information.
    I guess for my purpose at this time I might consider a KW, Pete, or maybe an International with a Cummins N14 with 9 speed and OD. Which ever truck will be the latest model and best condition for my dollars. There seems to be a lot of bargains available. By next week I'll probably change my mind.
    Thanks again for what I consider to be great advice.
     
  10. 25(2)+2

    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    A wise man once told me that it's easy to buy a used truck, but very hard to sell a used truck. I personally wouldn't be given an N-14, but to each, his or her own.

    AJ
     
  11. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    You are going to find a 9 speed to buy cheap for the same reason when you go for resale down the road it will sell cheap. On the used truck market your customers are mainly O/Os and very small fleets. They don't want 9 speeds.
     
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