Im in northwest Georgia, looking at tandem axle dumps to buy.
I’m about as green as it gets but I’m learning every day. I’m signed up for my CDL training next week. I’ve started calling around and about to start following trucks to sites.
I know in Georgia we only run tandems because of the bridge law. I’m trying to understand how to “spec” my truck. I know 18-20k lbs front. 46k lbs rears. Think single or double frame. Not sure on the gate terminology.
But can anybody tell the difference in the bed on the white vs the black Mack’s in the pictures? 90% of what I see in Georgia is similar to the bed on the white Mack but I see a lot of other people running the bed the black on has in other places.
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The white one looks like aluminum sides, and the black one all steel box, a slight weight difference. Trouble is, aluminum takes a beating, depends what you want to do with it. Hauling blacktop, one needs the lightest truck, for the most product and thin sides will work. The black one is better at hauling big rocks or broken concrete. Plus, the 3rd axle on the black one increases empty weight, by a lot, 1,000 lbs, easy. After a while, that adds up to less material, since you can't use it anyway. Can't go wrong with a Mack.
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I didn’t realize those were aluminum beds, but makes sense. A paving company runs about 40+ Mack’s that look like the white one. Another guy runs about that many doing all kinds of work but looks like the same specs.
I just didn’t realize aluminum was that popular, seems like everyone here in north Georgia runs them. I figured more people would be running all steel for durability.201 Thanks this. -
I’ve been doing a lot of research myself, hoping to pull dumps in the semi-near future as an owner op.
Up here in the Midwest we’ve got a lot of aggregates to move and roadwork stuff going on. For what I want to do aluminum fits the bill. I’m hoping to pull trailers though so I imagine I’ll probably be needing a couple of each. Sort of just depends on what you’ll end up doing. Asphalt first for me but it won’t require me having a trailer so. A lot of small little things with it I suppose. -
I would consider the white truck to have a paver bed because the tailgate slopes might have aluminum sides or might just be pannels to dress it up. I can’t tell what the back of the other truck looks like. They are different design for sure. Personally I don’t think it makes much difference. Are you thinking of buying a new truck or putting something together or just buy a used one.
Tandems tend to see more rough use demo debris rip rap stuff like that. If you’re only going to have one truck I would probably use steel. I would have never have stayed in the business if I had had an aluminum bed. One thing regardless of what you buy make sure it goes plenty high to dump otherwise you will have problems if your nose down and things tend to get damaged or broken if you have to shake it out. Full lockers and walking beam suspension are a must in my opinion. I have one truck with 38k rears they do fine if I drive it. there not as tough as 46k but much cheaper to fix and they weigh less. You don’t have to have a 20k front but I wouldn’t use a 12 either depends on how your truck will balance
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They both look like steel to me, but the first is dressed up with polished aluminum or chrome on the outside.
The black truck is more of a demo bed. I prefer this bed as it doesn't have a 90 degree corner along the bottom for dirt to stick in. Also, the second one may have a high lift tailgate, which I won't have a truck without. Much easier to haul brush and scrap in without it getting jammed up in the tailgate when dumping.
I'm over here in MS, so same issue with bridge weights, but be careful on some of these converted tandems. There are trucks out there with 12K fronts and 40K rears. Those can limit you to less than even the bridge weights. I figure I can haul an extra ton (56.5K - 52.5K - weight of pusher axle) because of the pusher.
I have a tri-axle, 26.8K empty, so I can haul right at 15 tons without a blanket permit. That permit is good for an additional 4k, which gets me to 17 tons.
Something else to consider, I'm right at TN line, so if I stay in TN for a job, I can now go from 56K all the way up to 74K if I stay off the interstate. That is substantial and makes it worth having the tri-axle. So, if you are crossing state line for work, consider the limits in those other states.
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I think I understand the axles, bed, and trucks enough to know what I’m looking at but the lift gate is something I hadn’t paid attention to.
Like I said it’s just crazy to me that 90% of the trucks in north Georgia have beds like the white one I posted when just going off looks I think the solid steel on the black looks better. Maybe I’m missing something.
I’m in the process of finding something decent used just to get going then hopefully a new one down the road. -
If 90% of the trucks in north Georgia are spec'd out a certain way it's probably because they know what works best in that market.
You don't spec a dump truck for looks. You spec it so that you can make a living with it. -
I think I finally figured it out. I think that the beds everyone is running around here that have the chrome or stainless “inserts” are what they call insulated beds.
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