Double frame

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  1. Z800xp

    Z800xp Bobtail Member

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    How crucial is it to have a double frame pulling a 5lowboy lowboy trailer grossing 100,000 lbs once in a while? Will a single frame hold up? Just a tandem axle tractor and shorter than 240 wheel base.
     
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  3. AModelCat

    AModelCat Road Train Member

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    Depends. How thick and how tall is the rail?
     
  4. gt4jk

    gt4jk Light Load Member

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    It’s not so much the “doubling” the frame. It’s just more so of how much weight are you putting on the truck directly.

    also, how thick is the current frame?


    I think you’ll be just fine as long as you are not exceeding your axel/tire/suspension/drive line/transmission weight/torque ratings.
     
  5. zodiacflyer

    zodiacflyer Heavy Load Member

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    Do you mean lowboy, or RGN? On most of either of them, especially with a flip axle, most of the weight is on the trailer axles. I have pulled RGN trailers fairly successfully with a Cascadia. The tight turning circle is kind of a bonus on narrow lease roads. The only drawback is that very few Cascadias have locking diffs, which makes mud a bit of a challenge. It's not perfect, but rarely is anything perfect in trucking.
     
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    201 Road Train Member

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    I've seen regular frames crack under normal circumstances, but I've never seen a double frame crack. Happened to my Western Star just pulling RR pigs. With the possibility of that much weight, it should be double at least under the 5th wheel. While it's true, most weight will be on the back, resonance will go to the front. I'd get a double frame.
     
  7. beastr123

    beastr123 Road Train Member

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    This advice is concerning any load on todays tractors.
    Canadians regularly pull weights of 140,000# (8 axles) with standard tractors with tractors with a 240 or less wheelbase.
    As long as you are not exceeding rated weights on any axle on the tractor (13200#/14600# steers) (40,000#to 46,000# drives) and do not jerk the frame sideways under load you are perfectly safe.
    You should be safe to exceed the rated drive weights by 10% but do not exceed steer axle rating as that can overload the frame-rails between the drive suspension and the steering suspension.
     
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  8. W923

    W923 Road Train Member

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    You will be fine unless you have a super light speced unit…100k isn’t really that much
     
  9. Animosus

    Animosus Heavy Load Member

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    I wouldn't worry about it at 100k. I've done that with a single axle T300.
     
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  10. RockinChair

    RockinChair Road Train Member

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    A standard tractor in Canada has 8 axles?!?
     
  11. Cat sdp

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    Super b combination
     
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