Does driving PC while on 10

Well I called our log department and asked them about it before I did it, there is no set mileage limit and I'm pretty sure jj keller elogs know more about hos than you.

 

At this time FMCSA has not put a specific number of miles that is allowed, but a carrier can put a limit on how many miles or hours it will allow a driver to use as PC... And LEO's are supposed to use their judgment in determining if the actual logged PC is "reasonable" and legal.

 

I don't see where is state's that the 10 hr has to be restarted after doing pc.
I can drive to a truck stop go off duty. Go take a shower. Then go on line 5, drive to a resteraunt and then drive back line 5 and my 10 hr break won't be interrupted. As long as I am empty.
The new rule that was just implemented was if you were stuck at a receiver/shipper and tour hours ran out. Then you can go line 5, loaded or empty, to the nearest safe haven. Once you reach your safe haven then your 10 hr starts. @Scalemaster ?

 

That's exactly what happened in the Tracy Morgan case. Driver drove his car 10 hours, then hopped in a truck and was on his 13th hour working when he killed someone. He was perfectly legal according to the courts. He got community service for the wreck, sure. He did not get in trouble for HOS violations though.

 

The new rule you talk about actually says, according to example given by FMCSA, if you deliver or pick up and run out of hours you can go into PC and drive to the nearest rest area/ truck stop and you 10 hr rest period begins when you go on PC.
You can't start your ten hour go take a shower then go PC go to restaurant then come back and try to stay off duty without interruptINg the full 10 hours. If you come back you must log sleeper, if you are staying in truck. If you log off duty read the ruling. Can't interrupt your rest period.
The time driving under personal conveyance must allow the driver adequate time to obtain the required rest in accordance with minimum off-duty periods under 49 CFR 395.3(a)(1) (property-carrying vehicles) or 395.5(a) (passenger-carrying vehicles) before returning to on-duty driving, and the resting location must be the first such location reasonably available

 

By the way you don't have to be empty any more. Don't matter take tractor and Trailer to your nearest Taco Bell.

 

You really need to go read the laws and guidance before spewing the crap you spew.

Here is a primer. Personal Conveyance

Here is the guidance showing you are wrong, with the exact scenarios listed as 'good' use of pc. I highlighted in red where you are wrong.

Examples of Appropriate Uses of a CMV While Off-duty for Personal Conveyance
The following are examples of appropriate uses of a CMV while off-duty for personal conveyance include, but are not limited to:

1. Time spent traveling from a driver’s en route lodging (such as a motel or truck stop) to restaurants and entertainment facilities.
2. Commuting between the driver’s terminal and his or her residence, between trailer-drop lots and the driver’s residence, and between work sites and his or her residence. In these scenarios, the commuting distance combined with the release from work and start to work times must allow the driver enough time to obtain the required restorative rest as to ensure the driver is not fatigued.
3. Time spent traveling to a nearby, reasonable, safe location to obtain required rest after loading or unloading. The time driving under personal conveyance must allow the driver adequate time to obtain the required rest in accordance with minimum off-duty periods under 49 CFR 395.3(a)(1) (property-carrying vehicles) or 395.5(a) (passenger-carrying vehicles) before returning to on-duty driving, and the resting location must be the first such location reasonably available.
4. Moving a CMV at the request of a safety official during the driver’s off-duty time
5. Time spent traveling in a motorcoach without passengers to en route lodging (such as motel or truck stop), or to restaurants and entertainment facilities and back to the lodging. In this scenario, the driver of the motorcoach can claim personal conveyance provided the driver is off-duty. Other off-duty drivers may be on board the vehicle, and are not considered passengers.
6. Time spent transporting personal property while off-duty.
7. Authorized use of a CMV to travel home after working at an offsite location.

 

Was driver driving under PC? I think not , apples to oranges. Driver was driving off duty, that is allowed. So is working 60 hours straight after you drove 11 hours. You just can't drive untill you had 10 hrs off.

 

Driving PC IS driving Off-duty. The law sees it as the same thing. Again, read the guidance, and keep reading until you actually learn it and stop spewing crap.

 

That is what I said. PC can be used to go buy your beer and bring back to hotel. Dude do you read it all and comprehend or just skim thru it?