Does driving PC while on 10

No you are off duty when using PC

 

That 10 in sleeper you stop and STAY the whole time. If you break it going on duty or driving etc. You will have to REPEAT the entire 10 and check your daily for possible violations. That 10 hour time is for sleeping only. As in resting, eating, personal hygene etc. And just that. You do not move that truck a inch.

IF your company provides a special PC Line 5 or whatever they call it in the ELD, they will also outline the policy of acceptable PC and limits thereof. Be very careful and check with your safety first before attempting any PC.

If a police man, shipper or whatever causes you to move against your hours, document everything including names etc. It will be a violation of your 10 to move usually because you probably burned up your 11 hours driving etc. Note that in your remarks section and be prepared to defend yourself vs safety when they interview you about that violation. Remember your company is on the hook just like you are.

In the old days PC is just that. Empty no work, therefore off duty. But we are in the age of ELD and some companies do not allow PC. Check with them.

 

This one is going to be good. I have nothing to back my answer, but I would say yes if you are on PC. Now you can be off duty, off the truck and drive your personal car for 10 hrs then go back to having your 11/14 if that is what you drive under. But a LEO can argue you are driven fatigue if they found out. Now on 34 hours again if you drove your personal car or someone else car, you would be ok. But the truck might be ok on the 34. Again I have nothing to back this. When I worked for Bolt their rules stated one hour max on PC, and then only if you had drive hours available.

 

10 hours off duty and 34 hour reset can include pc since it is off duty time.

Personal conveyance is the movement of a commercial motor vehicle (CMV) for personal use while off-duty. A driver may record time operating a CMV for personal conveyance as off-duty only when the driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work by the motor carrier. The CMV may be used for personal conveyance even if it is laden, since the load is not being transported for the commercial benefit of the motor carrier at that time.
Personal Conveyance

The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations (FMCSRs) require drivers to document their HOS on records of duty status (RODS), identifying one of four duty status options: (1) On-duty not driving, (2) driving, (3) sleeper berth, and (4) off-duty (49 CFR 395.8). The use of personal conveyance is a tool used to account for the movement of a CMV while the driver is off-duty.
Federal Register :: Hours of Service of Drivers of Commercial Motor Vehicles: Regulatory Guidance Concerning the Use of a Commercial Motor Vehicle for Personal Conveyance

 

Let me state that as a carrier I would never allow this, but I know there are companies out there that love to run on the other side of that gray line if you know what I mean. My friend runs for a company that thinks nothing of allowing their drivers 4 to 5 hours on PC to deliver loads. Nothing on returning back to the point of the start of PC. Illegal? absolutely.

Ran for a comany that ran 30 years without DOT intervention . One pissed off driver called DOT, almost shut the company down. Gave them a unsatisfactory rating after audit. Never recovered from that. First Landstar won't do business with them then FedEx and the list grew fast. Out of business in 2 years.

 

Your ELD will not let you switch to PC unless you are “Off Duty” status.

 

So to tinyrim, if I understand you correctly it is ok for me to go off duty, it can not be sleeper we all know that, but off duty and then drive my commercial vehicle, loaded or empty, yes the rules changed you don't have to be empty any more, all night? 8 hrs? 2 hrs? How many hours can I drive on Commercial Vehicle while off duty on PC? And gain my hours back. A personal car maybe while off duty but a commercial vehicle? Don't see that one passing the litmus test.

 

You do whatever you want. Internet and CB lawyers will tell you it's OK.

Or, check the official guidance which can be found in the 1st link I posted

Examples of Uses of a CMV that Would Not Qualify as Personal Conveyance
The following are examples of uses of a CMV that would not qualify as personal conveyance include, but are not limited to, the following:

1. The movement of a CMV in order to enhance the operational readiness of a motor carrier. For example, bypassing available resting locations in order to get closer to the next loading or unloading point or other scheduled motor carrier destination.
2. After delivering a towed unit, and the towing unit no longer meets the definition of a CMV, the driver returns to the point of origin under the direction of the motor carrier to pick up another towed unit.
3. Continuation of a CMV trip in interstate commerce in order to fulfill a business purpose, including bobtailing or operating with an empty trailer in order to retrieve another load or repositioning a CMV (tractor or trailer) at the direction of the motor carrier.
4. Time spent driving a passenger-carrying CMV while passenger(s) are on board. Off-duty drivers are not considered passengers when traveling to a common destination of their own choice within the scope of this guidance.
5. Time spent transporting a CMV to a facility to have vehicle maintenance performed.
6. After being placed out of service for exceeding the maximum periods permitted under part 395, time spent driving to a location to obtain required rest, unless so directed by an enforcement officer at the scene.
7. Time spent traveling to a motor carrier’s terminal after loading or unloading from a shipper or a receiver.
8. Time spent operating a motorcoach when luggage is stowed, the passengers have disembarked and the driver has been directed to deliver the luggage.