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Do I need to keep a logbook?

Discussion in 'ELD Forum | Questions, Answers and Reviews' started by ROYG, Dec 19, 2023.

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  1. Dec 19, 2023 #1
    ROYG

    ROYG Bobtail Member

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    I have a CDL-B. I drove for years doing local delivery less than 100 miles per day. Company required CDLs. We had a few straight trucks over 26,000# but I mostly drove a small package truck like UPS or Amazon. With new company job now I'm paid to drive only small vehicles: cars, sedans, SUVs, pickup trucks, to deliver those vehicles. Sometimes more than 200 miles each way, sometimes interstate. Most of the company's drivers have only non-CDL licenses and do the same work. Company says a CDL is NOT required. One of the CDL drivers said I need to keep a logbook just because I have a CDL, even if we drive only the small vehicles. Can I drive for pay like this with my CDL without keeping a logbook, and if so, where is the regulation that states this is allowed? I'd like to keep my CDL and do this job without keeping a logbook, can I do that or must I give up the CDL?
     
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  3. Dec 19, 2023 #2
    ZVar

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    Regulations don't allow anything, so there isn't one. They are only restrictions.
    That said, no there is no regulation that requires a logbook based on license type, it's all about gross vehicle weight rating.
     
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  4. Dec 20, 2023 #3
    NightWind

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    If I were you I would keep one because you are working and getting paid to drive. As you state T]the distance is over 200 miles so you'd need one. Do not give up your CDL a log book is a minor inconvenience in your situation and you can use it to back up and prove your tax deductions
     
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  5. Dec 22, 2023 #4
    ROYG

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    I'm a W2 employee paid hourly. Most of us are retirees working part time. have no expenses in this job, everything (tolls, fuel, insurance, etc) is paid by the company, they supply an EZ-Pass and a credit card. There are no tax deductions. The vehicles are all UNDER 10,000 #. I won't get stopped by Motor Carrier Enforcement (I'm in Ohio), they are not commercial vehicles, there is no product on board, the vehicles ARE the product. The vehicle "registration" is not CMV but is usually an "In-Transit" plate that I attach to whatever vehicles I drive. Would I have to use a logbook if I drive over 200 miles one way even though the vehicle is under 10,000 # ? REMEMBER: A driver without a CDL doing the same job DOES NOT NEED a logbook, it was implied that I would have to maintain a log just because I'm doing it WITH a CDL,. The company wants me to give up my CDL or use a log daily They say that if an officer saw my CDL he would ask for a logbook. I need to be very sure that it's either REQUIRED or NOT REQUIRED, not just that it MIGHT be a good idea, or that MAYBE it's not needed.
     
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  7. Dec 22, 2023 #5
    NightWind

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    From my understanding any thing over 150 AIR miles, not actual road miles any driver who is producing or providing a service for pay/revenue has to have a logbook. Under 150 AIR miles you have to have a time sheet. I would do the paper log book keep my CDL and drive on. AS you say the chances of you getting stopped are slim BUT there is always that one time when we woulda should and didn't. I would NOT under any circumstances give up my CDL.
    Actually Read this and make your decision. Good Luck
    https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/sites/fmcsa.dot.gov/files/docs/Drivers_Guide_to_HOS_2016.pdf
     
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  8. Dec 25, 2023 #6
    Accidental Trucker

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    You only need a log book in a commercial vehicle, as defined by LAW. In most states, for intra-state commerce, that’s 26K and over GVWR for a straight truck used for any business purpose. It’s 10K GVW in interstate commerce. I.e. a 1 ton truck or bigger crossing state lines, and you’re driving a commercial vehicle.

    if you are under that, the LAW does not consider you a commercial vehicle, and Hours of Service regulations do NOT apply.
     
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  9. Dec 27, 2023 #7
    NightWind

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    Well I AM over the 10 and 26K, the hours of service DO apply. I run a time sheet not a log book. The ONLY time I need a log book is IF I go over the 150 air mile rule. Those are the fact according to FMCSA regs and my state. Most but not all states have their own regulations with normally are the same as FMCSA regs. Check your state.
     
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  10. Dec 27, 2023 #8
    Grumppy

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    You don't need to keep a log book. You don't fall under DOT/FMCSA regulation driving those vehicles.

    No different than a cardiologist with a medical licence having a part-time gig delivering vehicles. Just because he holds a medical licence doesn't mean the AMA has any jurisdiction over him delivering cars. He doesn't fall under the rules of the AMA.
    As well, Just because you have a CDL doesn't mean you fall under DOT/ FMCSA rules.

    Just because you hold a CDL, has nothing to do with your situation. Just like driving your personal car to grandma's house for Thanksgiving dinner. Just because you have a CDL, doesn't mean your under the FMCSA rules.
    As someone else noted, weight ratings is what determines your status... not your CDL.

    Your CDL doesn't put you under DOT/FMCSA rules.
    Weight rating puts you under DOT/FMCSA rules........ which says you have to have a CDL to operate large vehicles.
     
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  11. Dec 27, 2023 #9
    Ridgeline

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    Well, that's wrong. in-transit plates are commercial, the state of Ohio, like Michigan, looks at them as commercial operations, hence you can be pulled over by motor carrier enforcement. In-transit plates are not registered to a car, they are registered to a company and that company can not be a not-for-profit operation.
     
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  12. Dec 28, 2023 #10
    NightWind

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    WHat he said
     
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