Differentials Overheating

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  1. Truckermatt74

    Truckermatt74 Bobtail Member

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    Thought I would post this so that if anyone has this problem and happens to search "differentials overheating" it will show up and might solve their mystery also. Here goes....

    Last February I was hauling a loud of logs out of the bay area in my new truck. After I got about 70 miles up the freeway I noticed my differentials temperatures were getting pretty high. The rear diff was at 260 degrees and the front was at normal for the ambient temp 160 degrees. I pulled over and felt the rear and it was very hot to the touch, so it confirmed that the dash temp gage was working. I checked the fluid level and it was full. I drove a bit further and had Petro lazor the diffs and the temp was confirmed at 260 degrees. I had them flush the rear diff and everything was fine after that. *(note, it wasn't the flushing that solved the problem)

    Never had another problem with overheating until this past week when the rear diff got up to 270 degrees and the warning light came on. I pulled over, checked the fluid, sat and let it cool down and went on to the power plant and unloaded. As soon as I unloaded the rears cooled off rapidly down to 150 degrees. *(note, it wasn't the unloading that solved the problem)

    Being totally puzzled I called the Peterbilt shop and talked to the head mechanic, he had no idea why this overheating would be occasional with over 5 months between episodes. He said if they were going out they would have just kept getting hot and eventually failed.

    I was totally puzzled and called a ol' trucker who was my truck boss back when I first began driving.

    When I told him that my differentials are over heating only on rare occasion he immediately said, "I bet you got full lockers and didn't back up a few feet to disengage them, next time you use them back up a little bit to let the lockers unlock, and the problem will go away".

    Low and behold, the next time I used my lockers I didn't back up, the rears started warming up within 20 miles, I pulled over and backed up 10 feet and took off, the rears immediately starting cooling off....problem solved.

    * What made the differential cool off on all occasions was the backing up. At Petro I backed up to park to eat dinner, at the power plant I backed up to dump my load, and the third time I took the advice from my ol' truck boss and I backed up to disengage the lockers.

    I called the mechanic at Peterbilt I told him it was the full lockers causing the heat build up, and he wondered why they aren't disengaging when the switch is turned off and why I have to back up to get them to disengage...which is a very good question. From now on whenever I use my full lockers I just make sure I back up from now on when coming out of the woods.

    When I get a chance I am going to call Eaton and ask if backing up is a required practice or should they disengage without having to back up.
     
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  3. leftlanetruckin

    leftlanetruckin Road Train Member

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    I was going to suggest lockers, as I have them too in the WS.
    Will look through the owners book and see what it says, but it is very common practice to either coast a little or back up in off road vehicles with selectable lockers in them. It "unloads" the differential, meaning the axle shafts release their hold on the differential housing and allows them to unlock.
    I have noticed my lights staying on after I turn the lockers off at times in the truck. I just put the clutch in when safe to do so and and the light goes right off.

    Martin
     
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  4. rank

    rank Road Train Member

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    Sonofagun huh? Pretty smart cookie for him to come up with that.
     
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  5. leftlanetruckin

    leftlanetruckin Road Train Member

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    And imagine that, an old timer actually knowing something that comes from years of experience......:biggrin_25525:

    Martin
     
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  6. Truckermatt74

    Truckermatt74 Bobtail Member

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    He said all the loggers that had lockers used to always back in his day just before they hit the pavement. I don't have a Eaton manual on these full lockers. I guess I can do some googling and see what I can come up with. I'm just glad I caught it before I burn't out my rearend.
     
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  7. Cowpie1

    Cowpie1 Road Train Member

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    I have full lockers on my drive axles. I don't need them often, but always back up a little after disengaging the switch. I have never experienced any diff temps above about 160-170F in two years owning the truck.

    I look at lockers the way the old style automatic front hubs were on 4x4 pickups. They always needed a short backup to totally disengage them after use.
     
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  8. 04 LowMax

    04 LowMax Medium Load Member

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    As Martin said, an also in my WS, the lights don't go out as long as they stay engaged. I'm guessing it doesn't work like that in the Pete? Had a Volvo that worked like that too, even though you released the switch, the lights would not go out until the torque came off. They must be really tight rear ends, mine will release as soon as I am going straight and back off a bit to make a shift. Excellent post, BTW, this kind of information sharing is priceless and very helpful!
     
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  9. Richter

    Richter Road Train Member

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    it s the same principle as dropping a trailer. You cant get the 5th to relice if you moved forward. if you back and take the pressure off it goes. Now it should relice once ur moving, but something is binding under pressure and not unlocking. backing just take the pressure off before putting it on in the other direction. (but by then its unlocked.)
     
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  10. KWmech

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    No use calling Eaton, they do not deal with rears anymore. You will have to call Spicer.
     
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  11. leftlanetruckin

    leftlanetruckin Road Train Member

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    You obviously have never had full locking rear ends. Comparing axle shafts and a differential to a kingpin is about as off base is it gets. So it's just the same as having to back the knife out of a tough piece of steak then too huh?
    Give me a break, as well as a dictionary to understand half of what you type.
     
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