Deleted 2014 Pete 384 with M13 Paccar motor—

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  1. corneileous

    corneileous Road Train Member

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    Runs like crap quite a bit whenever I go to change gears while accelerating. It doesn’t do it all the time but whether I’m loaded or empty, there will be times that when I go to step on the throttle after upshifting, you can hear the turbo spool and then all the sudden you can hear the turbo wind down and at the same time of the truck falling on its face, it’ll blow out this nasty smelling dark gray colored smoke out of the stack. Any ideas? It seems like it’s starting to do it a little bit more often and the only other thing I can think to mention is that when it does this, it’s acting like it still trying to give itself throttle, and then once it realizes the turbo not doing its thing, it will derate itself a little bit and then eventually it’ll go back to spooling up the turbo and we can go. Truck runs fine otherwise but it seems to only do this after running up the RPM between 1700 and 2000 RPM and when you let off the throttle to up shift and then continue on with your acceleration.
     
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  3. Arctic_fox

    Arctic_fox Experienced mx13 execrator

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    Have the EGR checked. The flapper likes to break off the spindle. Have the guy PHYSICALLY check it with his fingers. If it went good chance it took out the turbo too
     
  4. corneileous

    corneileous Road Train Member

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    Where is the EGR on these motors because I think it was deleted also when they deleted the DEF and the DPF.
     
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    Arctic_fox Experienced mx13 execrator

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    Right side of engine just behind and slightly above or below the turbo depending on if you have the new or old style. Will look like this.

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    Also delete or not these are typically left on unless they sealed off the hole. Still check it as about 85% of the time its an EGR valve issue and soot is bypassing it into places it should not and eventually ending up in the turbo.

    If its not that then we start getting into more extensive stuff. Grey smoke is USUALLY a sign soot is going someplace it should not or that something is clogged. I cant go into details of why due to forum rules on deletes and this being about as much as i can give without risking a strike. But i can say if you DONT have an egr and a block plate odds are good you got a low end mod and your going to want to start pulling and cleaning all the emissions pipes as they likely look like this.

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    And eventually soot backs up where it should not go. Even on fully function systems its generally a good idea to pull and clean those pipes occasionally. If you do it yourself i recomend CRC and making sure you get every vestige off at the end. Typically i spray the #### out of them with CRC then dump them in a bucket of water with dawn for an hour and scrub them hard with a pipe brush then hit em with a power washer before i hand dry as best i can and ensure no soap residue remains. Then bake them in the oven at 100-110 degrees for an hour to make sure they are as dry as they are going to get.

    Absolute overkill? Yes, do my pipes ever clog? Nope
     
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  6. corneileous

    corneileous Road Train Member

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    Between the red arrow and the vertical red line was removed when it was deleted so I’m not sure if that’s where the EGR was. Also, right where the red arrow points is just an open pipe but there is a block plate clamped where the red vertical line is I drew.

    On a side question though, what is that object that the green arrow is pointing at? The end of the cylinder where the rod comes in and out has been disconnected and being that I was under the assumption that the flapper valve that cylinder was attached to might’ve been closing, my mechanic put a little tack weld on the lever to make sure whatever that is doesn’t try to close.
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  7. Arctic_fox

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    Yup the red arrows WAS a EGR, looks like the entire assembly was removed. Pull all those pipes and check em. Ill bet ya dinner they are pretty #### clogged and/or that plate is cracked.

    As for the green arrow, Ill be honest i have no clue whats going on there. Mine looks entirely diffrent.

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    Sorry for stock photo im sitting inside waiting on a shower and its a bit of a hike back out to my rig. Mine is totally diffrent and i have zero clue what they did. That said ill bet it was the controls to the EGR just based on where it all is.
     
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    That cylinder is for the turbo BPV. Back pressure valve.
     
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  9. corneileous

    corneileous Road Train Member

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    Sooo, being that the line is blocked off, why would it matter if they may be clogged a little? Nothing's flowing through it to the deleted EGR.

    But, I did notice a little black residue where that block plate might not be sealing 100% so is that crucial for that not to leak at all? We’re only talking a little black mark that’s no bigger than a pencil eraser.
     
  10. corneileous

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    So what does that do and being that all that California emissions crap’s been deleted, is that why the shop that deleted it disconnected that cylinder? Should it be reattached? I’m not sure if it was necessary to have my mechanic tack-weld that flapper open but when I started driving the truck, the shop that deleted it had a piece of what looked like clothes hanger wire wrapped around it to keep it from closing.

    One day at the fuel pumps I had the hood pulled back and was looking at all that stuff and noticed they didn’t tie it very well and I was able to move the lever by hand which kinda acted like an exhaust brake.
     
  11. Arctic_fox

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    Sorry for delay, i usually reply at the end of shifts. That said USUALLY because it backs up into the engine itself. Think of it like adding dust to a pipe. Eventually the pipe fills up or gets so caked big chunks will eventually break loose and roll back to get shot places they should not go. These engines are designed with the EGR in mind so they arent going to be able to handle that as well as a non EGR engine. Plus if the tube is not 100% plugged its entirely posible the flow is feeding back into the engine itself. Amd since you dont have the coolers controle valve and such...well

    That said you have a full delete so im not 100% sure how it differs from a normal engine or my own and with so many diffrent versions well..... also I only have experince with my one engine and the EGR is fully functional.
     
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