first off forgive me i am not a mechanic. i own a 2009 international prostar. it has less than 250,000 miles on it and a 5 year or 750000 miles warranty on the drive train. i do household moves and haul light compared to an 80000 lbs hauler usually always less than 70000. i was driving recently with a light load in town and took off at a stop light. thats when a metal grinding noise started to occur. i thought i dropped an axle. although i was able to keep driving and it begin to go away. so i thought it was stop gearing issue. took it to international and the problem was an inter axle gear problem i guess. the collar was broken for the cross shaft. because the collar was broken they say driver error and will not honor warranty. the came up with a scenario that my wheels were spinning and caught solid ground all of a sudden. they put it under this category to deny the warranty. these were not my driving conditions and this did not happen. i am trying to educate myself now and see how this happened. i do not want to pay for this and feel dana should honor the warranty. can anyone help?
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Take pictures yourself, and have them take pictures. When metal parts break due to shock loads the fracture has a certain pattern. They should be able to tell by the fracture location how it failed. It could have been cracked for a while and finally let go, but that shows a different pattern. Google it and see for yourself how metal looks when it breaks due to fatigue, or shock or poor tempering, whatever. Educate yourself to defend yourself. If it comes down to denied for warranty, ask for policy assistance. What is the last 8 numbers of your VIN?
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thankyou and yes i am doing exactly what you stated. i am having them send me the pictures they sent dana. i will be going up there to take my own pictures. i found some sites that explain and show wear patterns. vin 9c122579.
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Over the years i've heard many stories just like yours. Every time their is a rear end failure and its under warrinty its always the drivers falt. They always claim shock load. It dont matter if is Dana/Spicer, Meritor, Mackor any other manufacturer. It your word against theirs and ultimatly they always win. You cant prove you wern't abusing the rear end and their "experts" say its the only way it could have broken that way. Bu!! Sh!#.
I had a rear end that started the bang under a hard pull like a tooth was broken on the ring and pinion. I never once over stressed this rear or "shockloaded it". Took it to the dealer and let them hear it. They agreed that it sounded like some thing was broken in the front rear. They took it apart and found nothing wrong. Said it must be the rear rear. Took it apart and said nothing wrong their either. Charger $1500+ labor because their was nothing to warrinty. Funny thing was the banging was gone. I figure one of two things happened. Either it was something easy and cheap to fix and it was easier to do so and claim noting wrong and charge a ton of labor than to argue warrinty with the manufacturer, or the dealer double diped and got paid for a warrinty repair by the manufacturer, then claimed nothing wrong and got paid twice to fix it once. -
again i am educating myself as i go along. i went up to international and took this picture. i looked at all the components that had teeth. none of them were broken and showed signs of harsh wear. lubrication was good. again when the collar broken i was driving without the power divider engaged. i was pulling out of a stop light wheels were not spinning. i realize this could have happened over time but there doesnt seem to be wear of the other components or broken teeth. i dont get it. any thoughts? we are dealing with torque and momentum hell everything is shock load really.
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I check into it a bit for you. The warranty is direct from Dana. Basically what should have happened is, the dealer will start a warranty claim with Dana, remove diff and look for damage. Take pictures and submit information. It is Dana, and Dana only that makes the decision of what happened. The dealer really shouldn't be telling Dana they think the driver caused it. I found this number at Dana you can try calling, 1-800-826-4357, option 3, I think, for warranty assistance and further information into claims and why are they are denied. If they are still denying the warranty, ask for help with the parts or labor, they may pay for part of it which is better than nothing. Good luck, let us know how you make out!
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thanks for your time on this matter. i will be calling the 800 number tomorrow. the pictures were sent in and dana denied warrant-shockload failure. does a 5 year 750000 mile warranty really exist
dana has a webpage that shows many pictures of wear and tear to drivetrain components. pitting, teeth broken off, heat damage(lack of lubrication) ect... the definition of shock failure on the dana web page states shockload failure- violent impact on a tooth that usually causes the tooth to break. based on the picture the teeth are not broken on the collar the collar itself is broken. do i have a technicalitly case-i will try. also the collar looked to be the only component damage. with the collar broken like that wouldnt that have caused the input shaft to twist even a little or for some other components to be damaged before something like the collar to just break on its on. the definition of a cluth collar on danas page states clutch collar-device used to engage from one gear to another. if they(dana) stated that my wheels were spinning then caught solid ground how does the clutch collar come into play. if your wheels are spinning how can you shifts gears?
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That's a pretty common problem I see them all the time some times the drivers damage it and some times it just happens.I don't think they should be telling Dana it was the drivers fault it should be sent to Dana and inspected .usually our trucks have the same problem when they get off road and slam the power divider in while the rear drives spinning and sometimes you can be losing traction and not know it when the divider is engaged and it suddenly catches you might not have ever felt it if it were on ice or a wet surface
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I think the idea of the power divider lock clutching collar breakage is usually focused on the driver engaging the lock at an inappropriate time, when in actuality the driver never engages the lock at all so how could he have caused the problem? Well, this is how they get broke.
Every time you set your parking brakes the parking brake system automatically locks your power divider to lock all drive wheels together to insure good braking when parked. When the park brake button is pulled while the truck is still in motion the power divider locks and the spring brakes apply. This causes great shock force to the collar. If there is no load on the rear wheels they will skid on the pavement and relieve some strain. If the truck is loaded there is no give and the collar being the weakest link goes POW! This is why every driver should practice bringing the truck to a complete stop before setting the parking brake. -
thanks bender. a lot of the situations i have heard have been from wheels spinning and engaged power divider. it is frustrating because i havent done this with my tractor. what i was taught early on about locking axles has always made me hesitant to do so. i understand the damage that can be done if engaged and use improperly. so to know there is another way to break the collar without having to engage the power divider makes me think a little more. there are times locally when i get weights for a move and head back out to deliver the furniture where i get on the scale and brake maybe 95 percent stopped and throw on my parking before completely stopped. i think that is possible.not saying it happens a lot, but it is possible. even though it feels i have almost stopped there is still some momentum that has not finished stopping.is that enough to break the collar over time without any wear to the other components? i havent had this problem in my '99 9200 international. with nearly 1 million miles. just seems these problems should not occur 230,000 miles into driving for a tractor i paid for. just curious has anyone been or heard of someone being covered by warranty for a broken collar. is it an automatic denial that is assumed to be shock failure.
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