I have yet to talk to a mechanic about this so I figured until then I will start here. I have heard pros and cons about both but I myself have only had experience with the ISX15. It was in a T660 and had to be rebuilt at 330,000 miles because the valve guides went crap and began creating a ton of serious issues. My main concerns are pulling power (Uphill) and longevity. What are your thoughts??
Cummins ISX15 vs Detroit DD15??
Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by planafreighters, Aug 15, 2015.
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recent vintage i have only driven paccar and DD15
the DD15 saw the shop much lessfree2fly973 Thanks this. -
How did it pull in the hills??
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well pullin wy is ok
this one is an auto DD12 never put it in manual
last one was 13 speed
I see no difference both were goverened at 75
the paccar was goverened at 64 so had its balls cut offpaul_4lp Thanks this. -
Yeah the Kenworth T680 I drive now has the Paccar which seems to do alright except for the fact that I wish it would pull hills a bit better. This is mainly due to the company's choice to equip it with 2.64 rear ends!! Great for fuel conservation, sucky for trying to pull heavy uphill.
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Sometimes I wonder if people are aware that there are many different specs available on the same motor family.
DD 15's were available with up to 560hp and 2050ftlbs.
I think they are currently avail to 515/1850 but it may be only 505.
Which ISX? There have only been at least 5 basic versions. CM570, 870, 871, 2250, and 2350. Up to 600hp from the factory.
I havent driven a big DD15 but put 178k on a 455. Not too shaby pulling reefer 48 state. Dead reliable for sure.
Done a lot of miles driving a 600hp CM870 ISX. That thing would pull a freight train up a cliff if it could get traction. Engine brake like the hand of god.
Currently in a CM 871 ISX set at 475/1750. Definately no slouch with a 13 and 3.58 rears backing it up. -
Keith you are right. It just seems like most of these companies go for the weaker tunes and taller rear ends for fuel conservation. Whichever manufacturer I end up going with, I will try and get the most torque rated version I can get without stepping all the way up to the 2000+ ft lb beast as well as a 3.30 to 3.50 rear end ratio for 48 state driving.
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dd15 or dd15tc max has 505 hp and 1750 ft lb now. there is no way to pump it to 565hp because of 1-box aftertreatment . cm2350 500 hp engine has 2050ft lb torq. if you pull heavy loads buy Cummins factory 500hp + cm2250 or 2350 engine.
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A couple weeks ago I spent a little over a week in a 2009 Cascadia with DD15. Supposed to be 450hp, but it had some things done to the emissions that we cant talk about here and it felt much stronger.
I was pulling step deck with 60 - 80k gross loads. It only had a 10 spd with 3.42 rear gears,.. but it pulled the hills on i68 in md and i80 in PA pretty decently. I would put it on par with a 475hp/1850 trq acert C15. Not quite as smooth down low,.. but pulled respectably.
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I want to add also that the truck saw 6 - 6.8 mpg while I was monitoring it. Much better than any C15 or Cummins I ever drove.
Not sure I would ever buy one. The motor had been recently rebuilt after losing oil pressure and the motor seized up. Odometer only showed 570k when I was in it. My C15 was at almost 1.3 before I had to have it rebuilt.
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