Cummins ISM idling out of control

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  1. NebraskaGMC

    NebraskaGMC Bobtail Member

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    I've posted on here about this problem before, but I have more knowledge on the subject, and have done some more tests on the problem child than I did back then. The engine is a Cummins ISM CM570, in a 1999 International Paystar 5000. Kind of a mix of parts here, the engine is an ISM 330 with CPL 2608, the ECM says ISM 450 when hooked to INSITE, and it is set up at 400 hp and 1450 torque. The problem I am having with it is that it will idle way out of control, as high as 1400 rpm at times. Using the cruise switch to adjust idle does nothing. INSITE says that the idle validation circuit says "no" no matter what position the throttle pedal is in, and the signal wires to the pedal for the idle validation circuit read 9.49V however the position circuit reads 5V. I have verified that the throttle pedal is not the problem using a multimeter, and a new throttle pedal. The strange thing is that this engine has been replaced, but the ECM was not. The old engine had the same problem, and when the engine was replaced, it was fine for a while then slowly worked its way into it. Then it developed a misfire about 5 months ago and all 6 injectors were replaced, which cured the high idle problem, and allowed the idle rpm to be adjusted. Or so I thought. Now it is doing the exact same thing, idling high and out of control. Could the injectors be bad again after only 5 months of use? Or is there something else going on here?
     
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  3. BoxCarKidd

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    I looked for some how to pics but I am not very good at keeping up with that stuff.
    Put a clear line in the fuel pump supply line. Is there air in it.
    Does the engine set at an angle like a slant 6? No good explanation for it but if the left side of the engine is higher air can be held in the ports plugged off on the left side of the head. Normally only two are connected for the supply and and return. The other 10 are plugged off. I have seen them with a plastic piece in the unused ones. When one came back from the machine shop it had problems like that. Bleeding fuel from the other allen plugs corrected the problem.
     
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  4. BoxCarKidd

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    Also make sure all the return lines are clear.
     
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  5. NebraskaGMC

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    Forgot to mention that I did that as well. I'm thinking now that it might be ECM related since that's the common denominator between the 2 engines and I don't think the ECM ever is supposed to put out a signal voltage of over 5V, is that correct?
     
  6. NebraskaGMC

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    The engine isn't slanted like the old leaning tower of power, except when the motor mounts go bad due to the clutch being extremely grabby
     
  7. BoxCarKidd

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    I cannot help you with that. A bit out of touch on those but was hoping for a easy fix.
     
  8. Shawn2130

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    When the injectors went bad on the 330 ism I used to drive, the engine will run at 1,500 rpms.

    The injector is stuck open and dumping fuel in.

    Only time we’ve been able to fix this was replace the faulty injectors.

    One injector lasted only 1,500 kms.

    Another lasted 4,000 kms.

    Then replaced with a set of used ones, lasted 50,000 kms.

    This is all within a year’s time. 2 truck repair facilities worked on this engine replacing faulty injectors, and I did twice.

    The originals lasted nearly 1 million kms.

    Injectors kept failing.
     
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  9. pushbroom

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    Wiring diagram looks like the idle validation switch just signals a ground back to the engine. If the idle circuit does not see the ground it will cause an elevated idle. No idle validation codes?
     
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  10. NebraskaGMC

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    No codes, and the ground pin for the connector to the pedal is grounded properly
     
  11. pushbroom

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    Pull the ecm plug and check the idle and off idle circuits for a ground when the pedal is in the correct posistion. Diagrams are a sticky in this forum
     
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