Alright, here is a general question for anyone that may know, or feels like giving their input... all comments are welcome
I need to figure out WHAT the exact function of a Crank Timing Sensor is... I have heard things ranging from its a sensor that just times when the truck is gonna start after you turn the ignition, to versions like... Its function is to time when to release fuel into the fuel lines once you turn the key, or is it just a sensor that tells the truck when to start after crancking for a certian period of time... Please help!
Crank Timing Sensor
Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by Meho1969, Nov 18, 2012.
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The correct term is "over crank protection" or OCP. Here's a quick link:
http://www.delcoremy.com/Starters/Overcrank-Protection.aspxMeho1969 Thanks this. -
The crank position sensor reads the position of the crankshaft (like a clock) and sends that info to the ecm.
The cam position sensor is used to better define crank position sensor data by determining piston position in the cyl etc.Meho1969 Thanks this. -
Or are we talking about the crank position sensor? Two completely different beasts. This one tells the ECM what position the engine is in, and the ECM can calculate RPMs. Out of all sensors on the engine, this one is the most important. The ECM would have no idea of when to inject fuel without it.
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Over crank protection is thermal overload to protect the starter.
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Well let me put it this way, it would be the sensor that has something to do with the fuel and the time that it takes the truck to acutally start.... The shop manager at volvo ( go figure) called it a "Cranck Timing Sensor" ... the reason I am asking is I am still working on a big starting problem that my truck has... we have changed just about EVERYTHING that can be changed on the darn thing, fuel pump was changed and the accessory drive in Feb, the fuel filters were changed yesterday, I put on Volvo filters on the darn thing. The fuel filter base is good, steady and clean, all fuel lines have been checked there is no leakage anywhere, hence there is nowhere it could keep getting air in, the check valve was changed just a few days ago, I had my mechanic look at my injectors and try to fine if there is a possibilty that they might be losing prime and that was a negative.... Basically, when I changed my fuel filters yesterday, it kept starting up, like there was never a problem with it, I started it up like 25 times and waited to extended periods of time and every time it started. Then late last night it did not want to start AGAIN... today after letting it sit and coming back to it, IT STARTED sure it took a second longer it was crancking longer but it started without me having to prime it on the prime pump. I am really clueless as to what the heck it could be. The volvo shop did throw that option at me that it could be that CRANCK TIMING SENSOR... and now I am trying to figure out what that sensor is....
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What your mechanic is saying is that if your crank sensor is not reading cranking rpm and sending that info back to the ecm, the ecm doesn't know the engine is cranking and therefore won't fire the injectors for the engine to start.
This type of starting problem can also be caused by a slow cranking engine from weak batteries to poor cables/connections, starter drag etc. -
So in plain English, my cranck timing sensor is not sending the info to the ECM, and the ECM is not injecting the fuel into the engine... Now here is my next question when I prime it with the prime pump and build the pressure in the engine the cranck sensor i assume then is not used to send the message to the ECM since I have already build the presure (injected the fuel) into the engine? Is my understanding correct? Oh and my mechanic has already checked the wiring on my batteries and the whole wiring system because that was one of his first assumptionss...
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I honestly don't know if it's possible to force fuel into the cylinders with the hand purge pump, but if you did get fuel into the cylinders by hand priming and the engine fired, it would then hit a high enough rpm for the crank sensor to read and tell the ecm ok lets go, game on, give her fuel.
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Yes they have checked everything... All is good which is the reason why we all are so puzzeled on this one... but then again, its a Volvo... it is so wired as to how it acts, when it wants it will cranck as many times as you want it to cranck with no problems, and when it dont want to, it just does not, and you cannot and will not start without me purging and priming it with the prime pump... its driving all of us INSANE... and once its started it runs and drives PREFECT... there is not loss of power, no shacking or acting up, currenctly I am pulling a 40 000 lbs load at 67mph and its acting perfect, the only issue is it actually starting when I turn the key and ignition....
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