Commercial vehicle definition and rules help

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  1. theboom

    theboom Bobtail Member

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    I am somewhat new to this whole thing and I have a quick question. I am planning on buying a late model f450 pickup, 14,000 gvwr, 43,300 gcwr, 9,300 empty. I also plan on getting a 30k gooseneck trailer, gvwr 30,000. I will be getting a CDL so should be no issues there right?

    So my question is, how does the relationship work when the trailer is connected, vs when it is not when it comes to classifying it as a commercial vehicle? Because when there is no trailer attached the gvwr is under the 26,000 level at only 14,000, but when it is attached it is well over at 44,000. Is it commercial at all times or just when the trailer is attached? The reason this is important is that I live in an area with parking restrictions on commercial vehicles in residential areas and the trailer will never be parked at my home but if the truck is still considered commercial because of the declared max of 44,000 gcwr even though as it sits with no trailer it is 14,000 gvwr. Do places with these laws make the distinction or do they only care about the gcwr?
     
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  3. starmac

    starmac Road Train Member

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    I doubt they would care about the weight, but are you not going to have dot numbers on it?
     
  4. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    You will have commercial plates, you are using it for commercial purposes so it is a commercial vehicle.

    Weight has nothing to do with it.

    I have one of my pickups plated as a station wagon and the other as a commercial vehicle. I can't park the station wagon plated truck in areas like no parking zones or other places where commercial vehicles are allowed to park.
     
  5. FoolsErrand

    FoolsErrand Road Train Member

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    Put your commercial info on a magnetic sign instead of a vinyl wrap and put the trash barrel in front of your plate when its at home.

    Its your house.. They send you the tax bill right? If your neighbor can have a 50ft diesel pusher bus and a trailer for his golf cart, you can have a ton truck.
     
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  6. theboom

    theboom Bobtail Member

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    This is not for commercial use? It is for personal use.
     
  7. theboom

    theboom Bobtail Member

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    Ya I thought about that. Having the dot information removable. Can I just put it on when the trailer is attached?
     
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  8. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    What?

    Let's get this figured out ... you are getting a cdl which is not needed for personal use. Right?

    So if you are getting a cdl, and pulling a trailer for compensation, it has to be plated as a commercial vehicle.
     
  9. FoolsErrand

    FoolsErrand Road Train Member

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    many states dgaf how you use it. The cdl manual can say you are exempt, the trooper says here is your ticket, the court says plea bargain to this lower charge, hold us 10000% harmless and pay this fee. Next.
     
  10. singlescrewshaker

    singlescrewshaker Road Train Member

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    I live in city limits. They deem any vehicle of a gvwr 10,001lbs or more as a commercial vehicle, regardless of company info or type of tags it has. Basically they go after anything with dual rear wheels on. Even know 3500 single rear wheels are rated over 10,001 now a days, they seem to let those ones slide.. Check you city, or town laws. Should be on the books somewhere for you to find..

    By the way, depending on what year ford you're looking at, magnetic signs won't work. '17's & up are aluminum body.
    I ran magnetic signs for 3weeks. I got a level 1 inspection each of those weeks. Switched to decals & it went down to 3-4 times a year..
     
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  11. starmac

    starmac Road Train Member

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    Magnetic signs are not legal in all states anyway, for commercial trucks, but don't have a clue what the op is doing. I do know the signs can't be just on the trailer, again for commercial use.
     
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