cat dyno results

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by ajmb, Jun 14, 2011.

  1. ajmb

    ajmb Bobtail Member

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    I posted in the other forum about my husband getting really bad fuel mileage and I was told that this might be the better one to ask. I know I don't know anything about trucks but I am trying to slowly learn a few things.

    We have done everything to increase fuel mileage with no luck. Changed mufflers, ran overhead, changed filters, etc.
    Just had a dyno done at Cat and they changed the settings and just wondering if the results are ok.

    he has a 2005 Peterbilt 379 with Cat C15 Acert
    Pulls Tandem liquid tanker, 80 000 lbs gross
    13 speed
    Axle ratio 3:55
    serial #- BXS 18892
    Tire size 22.50


    RMPS 1201 1395 1500 1599 1796
    Vehicle speed 40 46 50 53 61
    Fuel Rate (GPH) 18.4 21.6 22.9 24.1 26
    Boost 67.9 81.7 90.2 94.6 103.6
    fuel pressure 84.4 86.6 87.3 87.8 88.6
    Fuel Temperature 94 96 97 98 100
    Air Temperature 134 146 154 158 161
    Engine HP 378 444 468 490
    Corrected Engine HP 384 452 477 501 506
    Wheel HP 350 404 429 428 399
    Inlet Air Restriction -1.9 -3.2 -4.2 -5.1 -7.5
    Exhaust backpressure was not available due to the strait through mufflers

    The guy who works in the shop at my husbands work says nothing looks wrong with his truck which makes him think it's the ECM and to go back to Cat and have them change this programming. he got in the truck with his laptop and tested it and it showed his best fuel mileage was at 1500 rpm at 4.1 mpg.

    I thought I would through this out there to give him any ideas while he is on the road.
     
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  3. Shade Tree

    Shade Tree Light Load Member

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    AJMB: Two pieces missing that I need to help. One being how much HP is lost between rated RPM. Most times the 1800 rated engine has a higher torque setting then does the 2100 rated engine. Have a CAT person check to see if you have the highest torque available for the 1800 rated engine. You don't need RPM for good fuel mileage you need torque which is rated at the bottom number. If you lose more than 30 HP between the 1800 rated RPM and 1500 then a possible cause that I have dealt with in many CATS and Cummins is that the exhaust valve adjustment is .001-.003 thousands too tight, and when the engine gets hot, the valve adjustment gets tighter and then it causes a higher than normal HP loss on pull down results and thereby making the driver run engine harder to meet expected speed. If you have high mileage on the injectors you can raise fuel rates as high as you want but if the holes in the injectors are plugged you won't get any better results. I am assuming this is a 500HP rated engine and if the valve and jake adjustments are too tight it will make it run like a 350. Good luck.
     
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  4. paul 1052

    paul 1052 Heavy Load Member

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    I've given up on getting much help from a Cat dealer unless the problem slaps them in the face.

    Hang out here a while ...you'll find your help.
     
  5. AUSSIE DAVE

    AUSSIE DAVE Road Train Member

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  6. V8Lenny

    V8Lenny Road Train Member

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    there's 29 hp difference between 1796 and 1500.

    It's an ACERT, you can't get good fuel mileage without doing some "illegal" changes.
     
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  7. booboo

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    Are the tires 22 low pro or full size 22.5s?
     
  8. ajmb

    ajmb Bobtail Member

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    Thank you.

    The tires are full size 22.5
    I also forgot to mention that his torque is 1650.

    Cat is telling him to give it a try again running at 1500 RPMs so I guess we might, but I have a feeling it's a big waste of time.
     
  9. black_dog106

    black_dog106 Road Train Member

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    Mr. Haney and others will be along and get you where you need to be.
    As Paul said, i wouldnt count on Cat for much(except for taking your $).:biggrin_25514:
    and welcome to the forum...
     
  10. DL550CAT

    DL550CAT Road Train Member

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    I was having trouble with the mpgs on my acert here the last few weeks. The other day it started to derate at 1500 and the check engine light would come on. Took it to CAT and they said I had a bad IVA told me which one. My mileage is back up where it ought to be. So apparantly a IVA going bad can hurt your mpgs.

    ajmb I would have husband check the exhaust manifold very closely for leaks. Check the expansion joints. Any leakage will hurt mileage a great deal. When I started out with my ACERT it would only get in the low 5s now it gets 6.5 pretty consistantly and it runs great. It could get better mileage wise but I have a heavy foot. So there is hope but it sounds as if there might be a problem that needs fixed before you make other mods.
     
  11. Mr. Haney

    Mr. Haney Road Train Member

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    The Acert engine in stock form isn't known to get good fuel mileage. Are you saying that your husband pulls two trailers? I find that the harder the work load is over time the worse the fuel mileage is with an Acert engine.

    The best way to help fuel mileage is to flash the ECM with a modified flash file. I've done a number of these in the past with very good results. With your fuel mileage being this low usually the fuel mileage increases after the flash are in the 0.5 mpg range and higher depending on how you'd like the ECM tuned. I've had a number of other members do the tuning of the ECM on the Acert with great fuel mileage increases, if your interested you can PM
     
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