C15 Vibration

Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by Akhan786, Oct 28, 2017.

  1. Akhan786

    Akhan786 Bobtail Member

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    Hi I have a c15 mxs Engine feels like it's out of balance sways the truck up down left right even when it idles it has a thump at a specific part of it's rotation and the speed of that thump increases as the rpms are increased, I've tried replace the vibration damper, didn't make any difference this is on the engine as I have verified and people have guessed and replaced the power divider driveshaft carrier bearings etc.. but it still remains the same the vibration has caused the front mounts to wear to bare metal to metal and causes the whole truck, especially the front (hood, headlights etc..) to shake the shake increases with the rpm. Also this has caused the clutch springs to break and I have replaced the whole clutch for that reason, I had a check engine light issue in which I had replaced the iva harness for the front, now I don't have the check engine light, but it turns on and blinks (code94) when engine is under torque and then turns off once engine is restarted, can someone tell me that if this iva code can cause that engine wobble or I should chase something else,? Also when the clutch was replaced the mechanic told me that the dowel in the flywheel was squished by the flywheel by the mechanic who previously replaced the clutch, he couldn't remove the dowel pin but he put the flywheel back positioning the hole, could that also be where the wobble is coming from? If so how do I check and make sure before thowing more parts.
     
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  3. BoxCarKidd

    BoxCarKidd Road Train Member

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    Electronics these days can do some crazy things these days I can not explain. One example is a 60 series Detroit I would have bet a paycheck it was going to through a rod. Then the operator said when it starts doing that going down the road I can turn the key off, it stops knocking, and in about 15 seconds turn it on and it runs fine. It was a bad ECM.
    Normally a mechanical vibration like that is caused by: A bent connecting rod. Different weight pistons. Displaced springs in the pressure plate. Shoulders on pressure plate bolts are to long and bottom on flywheel before pressure plate is pulled tight type problems.
    Engine to flywheel housing dowel pins are factory installed to align that housing with the crank on that engine. As long as they stay together it can be removed and just slapped back on. Alignment is correct. When the block or housing is replaced the field fix is remove the pins or drill the housing holes out a little. Then use a dial indicator and center the housing and crank with in .008 inch. Misalignment normally causes clutch problems not severe engine vibrations.
    Looking at your history I see you joined when you made your first post on Sept. 27 about the same problem. Then you mentioned it went away after the head was replaced. That should remove the concerns about mechanical problems. What else would cause that and not through codes? A mechanical problem with an injector? Were they replaced? A bad cam sensor and or wiring to it?
    Others here know much more about these engines than I. I have found that if I thank people who have helped me or anytime I learn something they are more likely to help me in the future. Never respond with a bad attitude. Welcome aboard and good luck.
     
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  4. Akhan786

    Akhan786 Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the reply I feel the vibration more of a off centered unbalance issue that has already made the clutch springs broke I have already replaced the damper it didn't help the vibration is from the engine as it thumps when idling with the clutch depressed and also it vibrates with the truck moving in relation to the rpms ie the more rpm the more the shake and the more the torque the wobble gets kind of centered and starts to growl wow ???!!! I also wonder if a Dyno test could pinpoint a bent crankshaft, flywheel or bent connecting rod if not how would I be able to pinpoint and diagnose the correct part?
     
  5. Goodysnap

    Goodysnap Road Train Member

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    Just some thoughts based on your description of the issue. Inspect all engine and transmission isolators and mounts very closely for wear. Look for anything from the engine or trans hard contacting the frame or the cab itself. Have an overall health status performed on the engine. Cold start and perform cylinder cutout to be sure all cylinders can run on its own all the way up to operating temp. Any week ones need addressed. Overhead set? The type of problem you are chasing is the toughest to track down, good luck....
     
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  6. QUALITYTRUCK

    QUALITYTRUCK Road Train Member

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    Unfortunately this sounds like a broken crankshaft. It is a fairly common Cat issue. Drop oil pan and main/rod caps as needed to inspect. Concentrate on #5/#6 as these were the popular journals for cracking.
     
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  7. Akhan786

    Akhan786 Bobtail Member

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    Yes cat at Jefferson GA had performed what they call a cut out test and they we're sure it's a #5 injector I gave it a yes but after they replaced it they said we need to further diagnose it which I didn't want them to throw parts at it,I had also run the overhead then, I just keep driving like that until one of the rockers lost a button and that valve lost a spring but the valve luckily didn't fall in the cylinder, the head was no good as the machine shop found 3 cracks, I did replace the head, and fix my check engine light by replacing the front injector harness, but now the light only comes on when the engine is under torque, I will be still taking the truck to another cat tech to perform another overall check, that might eliminate most guess work, mounts as you mentioned have been replaced. "Qualitytruck"'s reply also makes sense but the truck has been driving like this for the past year and still running but the shake is getting more violent, could be possible, what if I let a broken crank run until it's all broken?
     
  8. Goodysnap

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    Ok, so you've covered most of the bases I've mentioned. Judging by the length of time you say the issue has been occurring, I'm going to rule out a broken crankshaft. This usually makes a heck of a lower end racket that would make you scared like a little girl to even hook a trailer up much less haul a load with it.

    You start talking about having the head off and rocker buttons failing off makes me curious of the overall health of the engine. Was this engine in-framed? If not how many hours/miles are on the engine? Me thinks this will likely come down to being a fueling imbalance between injectors. Enough of a difference in fuel between cylinders to cause a shake but not a dead hole. I've felt it a thousand times and each time they are all different, even after complete overhaul some just come out smoother that others. I know your hoping for a silver bullet, but you may chase this for a while. If it builds good power and pulls, I say run it. But you can feel it, not me.

    I also don't think this issue caused your clutch to break. I see the disc dampening springs broken all the time on perfect running and different engines and this IMO is not the cause.
     
  9. lilillill

    lilillill Sarcasm... it's not just for breakfast

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    Thompson Cat in Dothan, AL has a pretty good Acert mechanic there. They are the only ones besides myself that I’d let touch my motor.
     
  10. Akhan786

    Akhan786 Bobtail Member

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    When the head was off the mechanic said the Pistons and liners from up look fairly new I had asked him to make sure if the rings look good he said he would check with a bore camera??? And later he said all looks fine as I had and am still having blowby and he still says that's normal blow by I don't know what is normal blow by. My engine is now 1.3 Million miles and I had purchased this truck last year in Nov from a friend who knew but didn't mention this issue to me. But I guess I will keep driving it like this till it eventually breaks and shows up the primary problem but still it shakes the guts out if my truck and that creates unnecessary repair issues.
     
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    with your motor in the million mile club. have you had your "crankshaft dampner" or harmonic balancer inspected or replaced.
    it has a nasty way of throwing weight around.
    as well as the bull gear. both should be checked.
     
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