Brake lights - what does DOT require?

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  1. Hogleg

    Hogleg Medium Load Member

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    On this 359, the trailer harness suffered a meltdown in the past.

    OEM wiring according to the manual shows independent brake and directional signals. There are 3 switches that control brake lights - a service switch, a parking switch and a trailer breakaway switch. Plus, the directionals are independent, with the tractor using a shared turn/stop light, and the trailer using separate lights for directionals and stoplights.

    As the truck is wired now, they have one stoplight switch that operates both the tractor and trailer stop lights. They mounted separate brake lights on the bobtail. And they have only 3 wires connected to the directional switch to control L/R and 4-ways across both truck and trailer.

    So, will this pass DOT? Will they test that when in park the brake lights will be on? Will they simulate a breakaway and test to see if the lights come on?

    John
     
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  3. Hogleg

    Hogleg Medium Load Member

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    Additional data - the wiring diagram on supermiller shows a different wiring situation. My manual is a 1978 manual and my truck is a 1978 model built in 11/77. The supermiller schematic is not dated that I can find.

    Supermiller schematic shows a service brake switch that runs the tractor with a line to the spring break switch that runs the trailer. No parking break switch.

    So it appears that I may just need to install a breakaway switch. This is a switch that is dual purpose I think. It takes the stoplight signal and passes it on to the trailer in normal operation, but also can supply power to the trailer brake wire in the event of a loss of emergency pressure to the trailer. That would cause the brake lights to come on as the spring brakes are starting to engage.

    Am I correct?

    John
     
  4. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    Do you have three parking brake paddles up front int he tractor dash? One for trailer, one for tractor and one for overall. Unlike today's modern systems where two are present, one for trailer and other for tractor.

    Im not intimately familiar with pour souricing on a older trailer or even a new one that has broken away from the 5th wheel, let slip it's Emergency Line, Service Line and the Pigtail. In that situation we all know the air will go bye bye and the trailer will lock it's wheels wherever the chips may fall. Judging from previous traffic herd think (Or no thinking, just a ill filled desire to storm the one exit to flee the theoretical burning theater as the wild trailer loomed over them deciding their future or none.)
     
  5. Hogleg

    Hogleg Medium Load Member

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    yes. 3 paddles. I am going to rewire it like the newer 359 schematic. I got a Haldex breakaway switch at NAPA so I can now hook up the trailer brake signal correctly. I will then just wire the tractor switch direct to the back lights on the bobtail. I can then leave the directionals alone. Should work fine.

    On this 3 paddle system, when in park, you use the third paddle to charge the trailer along with the Trailer valve. It then pops out when you push in the parking valve.

    I am guessing they use this switch in the event of partial breakaway upon loss of trailer supply air. If the spring brakes are being applied I guess they want the brake light to be on automatically. The switch goes on at 55 psi. On a complete breakaway - #### happens.

    John
     
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  6. swaan

    swaan Road Train Member

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    Ive never seen any truck have a brake away switch that activates brake lights. Thats news to me.
    Some the old trucks in the 70s had a switch that if your parking brakes are on the brake lights were on too. That was a stupid option as it caused lots truck fires . If you were to run your truck all night the brake lights would be on all night as well. Depending how many brake lights you had on your truck and trailer it would put to much load on the electrical harness in the truck.

    You dont need that feature or the brake away feature.

    Just wire it up as any new truck. As long as you got brake lights, turn signals and clearance lights your good to go as far as dot is concerned.
     
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  7. AModelCat

    AModelCat Road Train Member

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    The powers that be only dictate that the vehicle performs to the set standards. How a manufacturer decides to meet the standards is up to them.
     
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  8. Hogleg

    Hogleg Medium Load Member

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    Swaan, yes that is the way this truck was wired. Thanks for the info.
     
  9. Bean Jr.

    Bean Jr. Road Train Member

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    Right! on a Roadside inspection, the officer only checks that the brake light comes on when you push the pedal.
     
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  10. BoxCarKidd

    BoxCarKidd Road Train Member

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    Should have a brake light switch on the primary and secondary side but I never saw DOT check that. Just gives you a back up source to activate brake lights. Break away switch not much good. Lights go out when cord is pulled into and the least of your worries at the time.
     
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  11. x1Heavy

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    There should be a box with a relay inside of that, actually two. One for trolley and other is 4 ways. Pretty lights is a requirement for those of us who are burned out and unsure of the working status.
     
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