Hello DDS, and thanks for your, (and EVERYBODY ELSE'S input!)
Will have to look into the filter swap, did not know they had bigger. My filter housing is between engine, and frame rail, hope the 256-8753 fits.
Did not check fuel pressure, no idea what it should be, what the pressure is at the present, or even where to check it; possibly coming out of supply pump? what are "good psi #s" ?
MBN engine, turbo boost will go to approx. 30 psi if I stand on it. Most times when I shift, boost is around 23-26
I think that I simply picked up some bad fuel. Friend who owns bunch of trucks sent me about a half gallon of nasty smelling stuff in an unlabeled container. Three more filter changes, just put 1800 mi. no problem, (knock on wood!)
Above mentioned farmers had told me about the flashlight check, but I hadn't seen anything.
Another fellow mentioned running a couple of tanks of the off road fuel.
I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOw, !!!!!! The higher sulfur content is supposedly why we didn't have this problem before.
Black stuff in fuel filters
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Any time Droy. I looked for the service letter about that filter, Cat found the smaller filter did not have enough fuel flow for big block engines, resulting in low power complaints. They had a usage chart, I will post it if I can find it.
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the agea is easy to spot. the inside of the tanks will be black, even above the fuel level.
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Speaking of which, any new sightings around the Thicket?
I listened to that game warden fellow one evening on KLVI/ 560, when his program ended, the hair was standing up on my neck. I was hauling crude oil from a lease off Hwy. 87 in the woods between Temple Inland and Sabine River. I short loaded all three of my loads to hurry and get out of there! -
lol... We run these parts packing! there was a guy I worked with when I was hauling vacume tanks. He got sent to a job in the middle of the woods to suck out pans for about three days. The guy freaked out being out there in the dark and ran home and picked up like two spot lights,4 handguns and a shotgun.
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If you fueled in Minn.you would have added bio-diesel to your tanks.This stuff will really clean out a fuel system and really plug up your filters for a few tanks.
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dang I have never heard of alge or microbes in diesel. just thinking about that is kind of scary. diesel fuel is not something you would think as a hospitible environment for anything living. Those little dudes must be super bad. Is this a common thing?
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it's getting common. The old fuel was high sulfur and the sulfur inhibited the growth. the new ultra low sulful diesel is what is having so many issues.
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If water enters your fuel system either through condensation or vents, it can cause bacteria growth. Many species of bacteria, mold and fungus can grow in diesel fuel but not algae. Algae growth in fuel is a misnomer for the problem. What looks like algae may be in fact asphaltene.
Asphaltene is a chemical problem inherent in diesel fuel and not biological contamination.
Unless you drain your tanks 100%, you always have old fuel in your tanks. This old fuel most likely has one of two problems, biological or chemical
To determine the problem so it can be treated we have produced a fuel test kit that will identify biological water enters your fuel system either through condensation or vents, it can causes bacteria growth. Many species of bacteria, mold and fungus can grow in diesel fuel but not algae
Algae growth in fuel is a misnomer for the problem. ]What looks like algae may be in fact asphaltene.
Asphaltene is a chemical problem inherent in diesel fuel and not biological contamination.
Consider these facts.
FACT: ALL fuel producers admit that diesel fuel is inherently unstable. This instability causes diesel fuels to form sludge and or insoluble organic particulates. Both asphaltene compounds (sludge) and particulates may contribute to build up in injectors and particulates can clog fuel filters plus add to the service issues common to diesel engines.
See: www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuels/bulletin/diesel/L2_2_7_fs.htm
FACT: Diesel fuel contamination problems have two different areas to consider, biology and chemistry. On the biology side is "Fuel Bugs" and on the chemistry side is "Asphaltenes". Thinking you have a biological problem and treating it with a biocide when in fact you have a chemical problem will not solve the problem.
"Asphaltenes" aka diesel sludge is the most common chemical problem and the most misdiagnosed problem in diesel fuel. Asphaltenes are brown and slimy and resemble algae. BUT Asphaltenes are not algae. NO ALGAE GROWS IN DIESEL FUEL. The natural chemical process that goes on in diesel fuel as it ages creates Asphaltenes. The asphaltene molecules will tend to precipitate out of the fuel over time and settle on the bottom of the tank. Once picked up by the fuel pump filters clog and engines stop.
Those that call diesel sludge algae are misinformed and not knowledgeable on the subject and are misdiagnosing the problem.
"Fuel Bugs" aka bacteria and fungus, primarily Cyanobacteria, in diesel fuel are the other problem but less prominent that Asphaltenes. Most diesel users have very little knowledge of this costly problem. There are over 100 types of Fuel Bugs that can live in diesel fuel. Fuel Bugs feed on the oil in the fuel and use the water in the fuel for their oxygen supply. They grow in your fuel at different rates and can easily cost thousands of dollars in damage to each contaminated vehicle.
It is imperative to determine if a fuel problem is biological or chemical based.
FACT: University of Idaho scientists have conducted tests to determine the timeline and percentage of degradation of stored diesel fuel #2. The results of this testing was that the petroleum diesel fuel #2 degraded 26% after 28 days of storage. See: Petroleum and Environmental Engineering Services
Masoud Mehdizadeh, Ph.D. http://www.fueltechinc.com/diesllf.htm
Studies conducted by National Biodiesel Board under accelerated storage conditions also proved that sediments are formed. The formation of these sediments are increased in the presence of water and dissolved oxygen. [See: "Fuel Facts" National Biodiesel Board, Jefferson City, MO; Frankenfeld, J.W. "General Features of Sediment Formation in Model Fuel System," Ind. Eng. Chem. Prod. Res. Dev. 1983, 22, 608-614].
Once diesel fuel begins the process of breaking down and sedimentation formation the fuel will create Asphaltene, cluster up, fall out of solution, and settle to the bottom of fuel tanks creating a sludge.
As the fuel further deteriorates, it darkens, produces a foul odor, and often causes diesel engines to smoke. This is a direct result of the early-stage fuel clustering passing through the filtration systems and into the combustion chamber. These clusters cause greater difficulty as they increase in size, failing to burn correctly, thereby exiting the system as unburned fuel in the form of smoke. This problem is exacerbated as the clusters eventually reduce the fuel flow to the point of clogging the filters. Filtration does not solve the core issue.
The word "asphaltene" was coined by Boussingault in 1837 when he noticed that the distillation residue of some bitumens had asphalt-like properties.
Asphaltenes in the form of distillation products from refineries are used as "tar-mats" on roads.
http://www.shareyourstate.com/dieselfuel.htm
Diesel engine designs striving to increase engine performance have made great advancements in engine fuel delivery to the combustion chamber. Todays diesel engine is quieter, smoother, and more powerful. But todays diesel engine owners are overlooking one important factor. The quality of todays diesel fuel has not advanced at the same rate as the engine improvements.
Diesel fuel begins to deteriorate as soon as it is produced. Within 30 days of refining, all diesel fuel regardless of brand, goes through a natural process called re-polymerization and oxidation. This process forms varnishes and insoluble gums in the fuel by causing the molecules of the fuel to lengthen and bond together. These components now drop to the bottom of the fuel tank and form asphaltene also known as diesel sludge.
The fuel begins to turn dark in color, smell bad, and in most cases causes engines to smoke. The engines smoke because some of these clusters in the early stages are small enough in size to pass through the engine filtration and into the combustion chamber. As these clusters increase in size, only part of the molecule gets burned. The rest goes out the exhaust as unburned fuel and smoke. With increases in cluster size they begin to reduce the flow of fuel by clogging filters. The filters only address the symptom and not the cause.
It is estimated that eight out of every ten diesel engine failures have been directly related to poor quality and contaminated fuel. The build-up of contaminates in the fuel systems and storage tanks can quickly clog filters, thus resulting in engine shut down, fuel pump wear, and diesel engine damage.
Understand that most fuel has some amount of water in it from either condensation or vents. This threat requires that we realize the added burden placed upon diesel fuel as opposed to gasoline. Gasoline acts as a fuel only. Diesel fuel, on the other hand, also must cool and lubricate injection system parts. These parts are engineered to very close tolerances - up to 0.0002 of an inch - and any contamination means rapid part wear. Water displaces the diesel fuel. When the fuel is displaced wear occur because lubrication is now absent.
Water that enters the combustion chamber results in even more serious damage. When it comes in contact with the heat of the combustion chamber (in excess of 2000 degrees F), it immediately turns to steam and often explodes the tip of the injector. Water causes corrosion of tanks, lines, injectors, and greatly reduces combustibility.
Other areas of concern include the producing more exhaust emissions and affecting EPA standards.
Bacteria also present a serious problem. Bacteria feed on nitrogen, sulfur, and iron that may be present in the fuel or tank.
Then there are algae.
There are absolutely no algae in diesel fuel. You may have fungus and microbial contamination but no algae. This is a misnomer for diesel sludge. So if you have a diagnosis of ALGAE and add a biocide, you have done two things, 1) found a mechanic that is wrong and 2) done nothing to fix the problem.
Why is there so much bad fuel?
The number one reason is due to the increased popularity of diesel power and the accompanying increased demand for more diesel fuel. There was a time when diesel fuel remained in the refinery storage tanks long enough to naturally separate and settle, allowing the clean fuel to be drawn off. Now with increased demand, diesel fuel never remains stationary long enough for settling, and the suspended water and solids are passed on to you, the user.
The change in refinery techniques is another problem. In order to get more products per dollar; diesel fuel is now being refined from more marginal portions of the crude oil barrel. This results in a lower-grade product that is inherently thicker and contains more contamination.
Thirdly, current fuel distribution methods also have a negative impact on the condition of the fuel at the time of delivery. In many cases, brokers control fuel sales to major distribution terminals and determine delivery dates. There is no telling how long that fuel has been in the distribution network and how many times it has been transferred. Seldom do these distributors filter the fuel as they transfer it.barroll, puncher, Semi Crazy and 3 others Thank this.
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