Best on Road Dump Truck Bang Buck Poll

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by JChopper70, Oct 2, 2013.

  1. JChopper70

    JChopper70 Bobtail Member

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    Hello,

    I am the owner of an asphalt paving business in the Southern California area and plan on buying a new dump truck. I have narrowed the search to the 7 listed below and I was hoping to gain some insight by asking your opinion of them.

    The main function of this truck will be for asphalt and concrete demolition, as well as hauling material and equipment to projects. This truck will tow a loaded trailer and the total weight of the rig should be close to 80K. If you have any advice or opinions on any of these trucks I would love to hear it.

    We are particularly interested in these issues:


    • Fuel Economy
    • Overall Durability
    • Cost to repair & service
    • Diesel particulate filter issues
    • Engine & suspension choices





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    apologize and will remove the post.

    Thanks in advanced

    Jim
     
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  3. Cyclesdalecummins07

    Cyclesdalecummins07 Light Load Member

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    It is all personal opinion on this one. Personally I would go with Paccar (peterbilt or KW) these trucks can be spec'd out to the max for any job you are looking to do with it. I have seen peterbilt 348 tandams stamped weight at 13,800 lbs this would be great for you since you are trying to max out the 80k limit. The down side with that is that the trucks being spec'd that light is you'll have to use super singles, single tank, bottom dump exhaust, and as much aluminum parts as you can get. Fuel economy is up to the driver you can the truck with the best fuel economy and a bad driver will kill it so thats up to their right foot and hand to see how good it'll be. Another plus side to using Paccar trucks is the resale value is much higher then any of the trucks you mentioned so your r.o.i will be higher when you go to sell the truck. When you asked about durability most of the O/O's I know who haul dump trailers with peterbilts have close to or over one million miles on them and they are still going strong, yes they have issues with parts wearing out but for the most part they are working everyday. When it comes to DPF problems that all depends on which engine you go with they all have different issues. Finally, since you live in California you have to have an engine that uses DEF, unless you go with the CAT CT660, or the Maxxforce international engine they dont use it. I would suggest going with a Paccar engine if you are looking to carry as much weight as possible because they are lighter then the Cummins, or Detriot. I would go with the Cummins personally because they are more popular and mechanics are most familar with it then the Paccar engines. Also they make more power. Suspension like before if you are going for lighter weight you can go with the flex air suspension its the lightest of the chioces personally I'd go with the air trac set up for the dump trailer its stronger.
     
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  4. Ezrider_48501

    Ezrider_48501 Road Train Member

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    i think i would scratch the mack the international and the cat off the list and go over the remaining 4 with a fine tooth comb to determine what you like best.

    i would scratch the mack off the list because they seem to be hard to find shops to work on them, the international because the maxxforce engines are garbage and the cat off the list because its nothing but a international with a face lift.

    the kenworth and pete should both be good trucks, but in some experience i had with a 2013 pete there quality has suffered in recent years. freightliners are easy to find parts for and dealers allover the place, never delt much with western star but i know they are tied in with freigtliner so i would think it should be the same.
     
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  5. JChopper70

    JChopper70 Bobtail Member

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    EZ,

    in regards to the Mack, if our work area was say a 75 miles radius, and repair center wasn't a problem would you reconsider them? These are vocational trucks so they stay in a pretty small area.
     
  6. JChopper70

    JChopper70 Bobtail Member

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    Cycles,

    Wow some great advice here. The info on weight reduction was huge in itself. Also, our mechanic agrees with you on the cummings engine choice. I have a quick question in regards to the CAT CT660 though. As EZ had mentioned they come with the navistar built engine and that is a concern. I have read however that CAT worked directly with nav in the design. Do you have any feedback on that particular truck?
     
  7. Freightlinerbob

    Freightlinerbob Road Train Member

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    If run from an International. Their build quality is total crap and CAT trucks use the same 9000 series cab. I'm guessing the chassis as well. I've owned a 9900i from new and it was a total POS. $40K in 40 months and I traded it at a loss. Best thing I could have done.
    Maxxforce engines aren't exactly getting good reviews either.
     
  8. Cat sdp

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    If you have a Mack dealer close by I'd look at them ...... There are couple of Titans working with me, and no troubles yet.


    Stay away from the cat, please....
     
  9. Ezrider_48501

    Ezrider_48501 Road Train Member

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    if you have a mack dealer close by and run in a small area i would consider them.
     
  10. Cyclesdalecummins07

    Cyclesdalecummins07 Light Load Member

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    I really dont have that much info on the Cat CT660 they havent been available long enough to really get a lot of feedback on the truck. When it comes to CAT and Navistar coming together to build the truck the only info I have on it is that CAT built everything on the engine like they have been doing with the exception of the emissions system. CAT is using Navistars emissions system on their engines so they do not have to use SCR (urea) systems and can just use the EGR system that Navistar uses. I have only seen a handful of the CT660 trucks on the road. The only place around me that has one is the CAT rentals store. I do know that you can get a CAT engine and automatic transmission in the CT660, Im not sure about the axles but the trans is the same one they use in their loaders. Sorry I dont have more info on that truck Im mostly into Peterbilts.
     
  11. Pablo-UA

    Pablo-UA Road Train Member

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    as I can see Granite is like Europeam Renault Kerax ore Volvo FMX. The same engine, the same solutions and some interior things.

    CAT looks cool, but really it looks like a workstar.
     
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