Bad clutch or hydraulic cylinder?

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  1. HopeOverMope

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    E2EE5862-C497-46CB-B0FA-DE79600072B0.png Any experience would be helpful! Little long post but has the details.

    2000 volvo, Rockwell, Eaton clutch, hydraulic. This will sound very naive, but I’ve went years not knowing this was a hydraulic assist clutch on the oem side. It’s got a Master cylinder & slave cylinder! I didn’t know any big trucks had hydraulic clutchs?? I always wondered why there was a reservoir asking for dot-4 brake fluid, didn’t ask no questions and kept it topped of regardless.

    Well I manually adjusted the clutch internally in February, With a 1/2 in fork measurement tool because I was starting to grind a bit shifting from neutral to low gears. That adjustment did great. Yesterday I start getting the grinding’ness again. I hop under the truck measure the gap with a 1/2 extension since my other tool is at home, and the gap between the brake and throw out still seems good at 1/2 in.

    So then I wondered about clutch linkage. After a couple hours of research I find literature and find out, I have a hydraulic system. So, no 1.5in-2in free play and 1-1.5 clutch brake. It’s a different tolerance system. My free play is very little. But I guess in spec.

    I got a brand new Eaton EZ pedal in the truck with me I bought on sale in town, but don’t want to change it unless it absolutely necessary.********** What in the world is going on if I got 1/2 clearance already? I see some extra grease around there, but of course the flying J I’m at 2night sells no BRAKE CLEANER?? And I used mine up and hadn’t restocked. Probably could get some shop towel in there at least. But I thought about getting that grease off to help the stop brake. And I found literature on adjusting the hydraulic “linkage” I might try to make a measuring tool tomorrow and adjust it... or is my clutch just toast? Thanks to the trucking elders and the knowers
     
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  3. Tombstone69

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    I hate hydraulic clutches,definitely a pain in the knee. Anything to make money on parts.I hope they go the way of the air clutch, another brilliant idea(at least the air clutch didn't hurt you're knee, but could definitely snap you're neck). Does it work better when you pump it a few times?
     
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  4. HopeOverMope

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    I don’t know. I topped of the fluid earlier, it was a tid’ bit low. And I pumped the clutch pedal down about 10 times, but hadn’t powered the truck back on to test it.

    I think they’re asking about $200 for the master cylinder, don’t know about the slave. Then got to bleed it out right with a pump of some kind I guess. But still better than a clutch job if that’s the case. I did start to feel a little resistance/sticking since yesterday, not when I press the pedal down, but when I let it return.
     
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  5. Tombstone69

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    I was driving an international with a hydraulic clutch and where they had the reservoir mounted was under the plastic rain gutter under the hood. That was cracked and the reservoir was hanging at an angle,allowing it to suck air. It made it better after being repaired, but I never could get used to that clutch. I used it as little as possible, the clutch that is.
     
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    Ten4. when that happened, the cracked reservoir, what was the symptom? Just wondering if maybe it wouldn’t let you shift from neutral
     
  7. x1Heavy

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    News to me. Never touched a drop of DOT Brake fluid around a big rig in my life time.
     
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  8. Tombstone69

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    The clutch wouldn't disengage completely and the clutch brake wasn't stopping the trans making it difficult to get it in gear. I had to pump it a few times to get it in gear and man, the spring in the
    master was hard to push in(my knees aren't as good as they used to be).
     
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  9. Goodysnap

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    The clutch brake is designed to operate with grease from the throw out bearing. The grease keeps the brake cool and keeps the friction material from wearing out prematurely, especially with a hydraulic or air assisted clutch linkage.

    Have a buddy depress the clutch to full to check travel or stroke to make sure the linkage is going full travel. Place a piece of paper or post-it note between the bearing and brake. At full depress the paper should not be able to be pulled out. This will tell you you have proper brake squeeze. Now you have a direction to go.
     
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  10. HopeOverMope

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    So, after doing the paper test you mentioned, and if it holds the paper... that will tell me that the clutch is in adjustment? Meaning the clutch is bad? Or....?

    I haven’t found anyone yet to help me press the clutch down. I’m over the road at the moment. So I haven’t done the paper test or watched the linkage. I do know where everything is now, the master & slave cylinder, & the hydraulic line.
     
  11. Goodysnap

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    So when you check the squeeze with the paper make sure you cannot rotate the clutch brake on the input shaft. It is splined and if it rotates freely with engine off it is broken. Fore and aft movement with the clutch pedal released is oK, just no rotation on the input shaft.

    If the brake is good and you cant pull out the paper on a full pedal depress.....this means everything is in adjustment and the brake should stop the input shaft to allow gear engagement with zero grinding at a stop.

    If the issues persists it is most likely a dislodged dampening spring in a clutch disc intermittently causing clutch drag or not releasing fully. This can come and go with every pedal press in the beginning but will get worse or fail to release completely never to release again.
     
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