I've been having an air in fuel issue for a while now and I am perplexed as to what it could be. Here's what I have, have tried:
Truck is a 2016 389, isx
L tank 90 gal R tank 135
This issue started in the middle of my produce season back in July. I do a run daily I use about 50-60g per run. The first time it died on me it had just under 3/4 fuel. I primed it, limped it to a truck stop, scratchd my head for a while, filled left tank, same problem, then filled right tank, problem resolved. Both tanks were approximately same fuel level. When I got to my home-fix, I put new supply fuel lines from tanks to T and from T to davco. *Princess auto did not have 5/8", so I took 1/2" lines, with 5/8" jic connectors. Same problem. Put taps on the return lines of both tanks to try to isolate problem. Cut R tank suction side off, no air in fuel issue. So I switched the lines so the return is now the suction and vice versa. That worked all summer, until now. I was able to run like normal, down as low as I dare running on R tank only worked fine. I guess the return line goes all the way to the bottom (figured it must have to be almost as long as main pipe). Now it is doing the same thing. Air bubbles coming up to the davco, over a few minutes fuel level going so low (at idle) it will die. At throttle it will die faster.
So what I know now is:
Running on L tank only, R tank both taps or just supply tap turned off, truck runs as normal.
Open supply on R tank at just under 3/4, air bubbles will come and kill the truck.
On the road, it will not empty the L tank, they stay the same level.
Today I disconnected the T valve unsure if it has a flapper in it - it does not.
Take T out of equation completely. Line from davco to new connector to new fuel line and drop that into jerry can of fuel = no air bubbles. Connect to originally the return and air bubble issue comes back. I have the truck in the driveway with the just under 3/4 where it begins to act up. I am running these tests with the fuel cap off. So the tank vent should be no issue since the problem persists. All I can come up with, considering if connected to either supply or return and it draws bubbles I originally thought a pinhole a few inches down in the supply tube. At the exact same fuel level now same problem its pulling from return. Running on L tank and the top 25% or so of R tank for winter playing chicken would really suck. The pickup and supply pipes are welded in to the top of the tank. I have anti-siphon device (tube with holes) welded into the tanks from factory. Is it possible for both tubes going into the tank to have a pinhole at exactly the same height, or is there something I am missing here?
Thanks
Air in fuel issue
Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by gokiddogo, Jan 12, 2023.
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Is it possible you've got a bad bowl on the Davco. Friend of mine just had to have one replaced, but I don't remember exact symptoms he was having. But in your case, suction pressure increases as the fuel drops, so somewhere you've got something that only allows air once the fuel drops a bit and the vacuum in the lines increases.
Have you tried plumbing around the Davco to ensure it's not the problem?Rideandrepair, Oxbow and gokiddogo Thank this. -
Looks like your R tank has fuel pickup tube crack. As the crack get above fuel level air will be sucked in system. Need to empty tank, rotate to allow pickup tube out if tank is under cab.
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Suction tubes are welded in and part of the tank but cracking is not unheard of. They usually will crack way up top where the tubes connect to the bung plate. There is a repair option with insert that slides inside the stock tube. You must do both sides to match with dual tanks.
clear test lines will pick out a suction leak easy.Rideandrepair, Dino soar, Magoo1968 and 1 other person Thank this. -
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Just thought I'd update.
Clear line to fuel line direct to davco: bubbles slowly coming from the tank. Same if hooked to supply or return line. New vent valves installed both sides. All I can come up with from here is, inside the tank, are both pickup and return pegs welded together at that height, and they have corroded or otherwise made a pinhole in both pegs? My next idea is to replace the tank vent with a new pipe, if they're both same size and thread.
It is in the mechanic's hands now. Monday appt. God, my old mechanics closing shop really left a giant hole in the market for quality work done quickly. I would of paid them peterbilt price to keep them, bet a lot of others would of too. -
If the tank drops are bad, you could install one of the standpipe style tank heaters, as they have a suction tube built in. Wouldn't even have to plumb it for coolant if you didn't need to.
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Can't be a pressure issue, new vents and did all the tests with fuel caps off.
See what they come up with next week. It isn't in the driveway anymore.Cat sdp Thanks this.
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