Air gauge, why 2 needles?

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  1. J Man

    J Man Medium Load Member

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    Instructor told me something odd today during in-cab inspection. The two air needles on the gauge, I understood them to be a needle for the primary and a needle for the secondary, both separate air-brake systems.

    He said no, that one needle was for the air for the tractor, the other for the trailer. That doesn't make sense because if one system failed you would lose half the brakes on the rig. :biggrin_2556:
     
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  3. J Man

    J Man Medium Load Member

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    To clarify, he was talking about the main air gauge, not the application gauges (because our trucks do have those for tractor and trailer separately).
     
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    albhb3 Medium Load Member

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    OR would be you would have half your brakes:biggrin_2559::biggrin_25522:
     
  5. Moosetek13

    Moosetek13 Road Train Member

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    Yes, that was helpful.

    It also made a lot of sense.

    Thank you for your enlightening reply.
     
  6. WitchingHour

    WitchingHour Road Train Member

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    You're correct - one is primary air and one is secondary air. Primary air provides air to your drive axle brakes, as well as your trailer axle brakes when the foot brake is applied. Secondary air applies air to the brakes on your steer axle, and will provide air to your trailer brakes when the hand valve (Johnson bar) is applied.
    This doesn't speak well for your instructor.
     
  7. haulhand

    haulhand Road Train Member

    Your instructor was wrong and you are right it is one needle usually the orange one for primary air and the green one is for secondary air. If it was for the trailer then it should read 0 when your bobtail and it doesn't.
     
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    07-379Pete Crusty Commando-Pete

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    Your instructor is an idiot! Once the trailer is hooked up it becomes apart of the tractors air system.

    I've never seen a brake application gauge just for the trailer.
     
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  9. J Man

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    Here is what I've read:

    If that is the case wouldn't you have service brakes on the trailer regardless of which air system failed, because both systems supply air to the trailer's air reservoir. The johnny brake doesn't bypass any of the trailer's normal braking system does it?
     
  10. J Man

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    I'm not sure on the Peterbilt but I know the Volvo and Freightliner do not. But I know both our Kenworth trucks have two applied gauges so I'll double-check tomorrow.
     
  11. WitchingHour

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    If one air system failed, you'd still have service brakes to some axles, an the secondary also takes over for the primary in the event of a primary air system failure.
    To fully go over the dynamics of it would take me a long time to type out - if you'd like to read the specifics for yourself, then do a search for FMVSS 121, which are the federal regulations regarding vehicle air brake systems. No, if you have a failure in one of the air systems, you will not lose service braking capabilities. However, you need to shut that truck down ASAP if that happens.
    As for the Johnson bar, it doesn't bypass anything - it engages the secondary air system. If your secondary air system goes out, it won't function.
     
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