6x2 information?

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  1. Oram

    Oram Medium Load Member

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    I would greatly appreciate any information or experience.
    I am working on the specification of my new truck. I am seriously considering the 6x2 rear axle configuration, with rolling dead axle, differential lock on the drive and with separate air bag deflate on the dead one. I am a little scared of it, but it supposed to do the job for me with some fuel saving. I run in the upper mid States and Ontario, so no hills, 99% highway. I am pulling dry van, with 80,000 max gross weight.
     
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  3. Cowpie1

    Cowpie1 Road Train Member

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    Based on what you are doing, a 6x2 would be a good idea. You have the right idea in spec'ing full lockers in the drive axle. That is where a lot of fleets mess up. I think you are on the right track with how you are doing it. Anything new that we haven't done before can be a little unnerving. I didn't do what you are doing, but I spec'd a few things on the truck I recently bought that were outside the normal way of doing things, and many people told me I was nuts and it wouldn't work. It is working just fine and almost as well as I had hoped. Since you are on the right track, I would just pull the trigger and go for it. There is plenty of evidence that setting up a 6x2 will get better mpg. And the side benefit is the lighter weight, less components that can fail, and overall lower operating cost, including tires.

    You know better than anyone here what kind of operation and situations that truck will operated in. If you feel that you can do without two drive axles then go for it.
     
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  4. beltrans

    beltrans Medium Load Member

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    A MVT company out of NM has all their trucks or most of them in 6x2 configuration. I have seen them driving in hilly states like UT, ID, OR, WA, CO but I never seen any of their trucks got stuck just because it is 6x2. They have 2.5 rear and direct 10 speed gear box (something I do not like). I talked with couple of their drivers and they said trucks average 8.5 mpg.
     
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  5. 98989

    98989 Road Train Member

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    your largest concern about 6x2 should be how to sell it latter

    in europe 6x4 is used only for construction logging and heavy haulers there is absolutely no need for 6x4 for on road

    even some heavy haulers are 6x2 ,

    one company use 6x2 twin steer actros 2554 for transporting weights up to 120ton (265 000lbs) through mountains

    there is one scania r500 twin steer 6x2 running together with 6axle goldhofer trailer hauling wind mill elements so lot of off road and 25% of hill gradients gross weight allowed 108t (9+8+13 +6x13) that is 240 000lbs for now it is holding well how long it will i dont know


    also 6x2 is much safer 6x4 tend to go straight forward while cornering

    look at scandinavia they have weights of 132000lbs with 6x2 and one of worst winters


    only thing you should keep in mind we have 19t legal on bogie and on most trucks 11.5 goes on drive and 7.5on tag/lead axle

    in us it goes 50% on 34000lbs on drive so we have 50% more weight on drive you should require to have lifting system and weight shifting
     
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  6. morehp

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    i wouldnt be concerned about resale because dollers and cents wise if you do your homework and save on fuel and maintance tyre wear ect, by the time it comes to sell you can afford to throw it away and use the money you have saved to buy another.
     
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  7. V8Lenny

    V8Lenny Road Train Member

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    Order it with heavier Euro/Canada drive axle that can take at least 13 tons, with locker of course, better yet Detroit NoSpin. Then tag axle with dump valve and lift system with switch in the cab. If cab lift/dumb switch is illegal where you live just don't tell anyone it's there. In winter 6x2 is better than 6x4 if you can lift the axle when loaded, 6x4 is only needed in soft ground, mud and sand.
     
  8. PeteSalesGuy

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    We have a local fleet tha has been running 6x2 tractors. The do not have a lift on the dead axle so the ability to "single it out" is not there. The biggest problem they had is driver resistance. We are in the Northeast and see some pretty good winter weather but they never had any real traction issues.

    Yes, the resale is lower, but you paid less! Yes, they are harder to resell as the general concensus is still afraid of 6x2 configurations.

    The locker on the drive is a good idea for anyone who is not always in fair weather and road surfaces. The 6x2 with low rolling resistance tires can really bump your fuel mileage.......
     
  9. Cat sdp

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    Pete, would you recommend 6x2 for 107k gross weight in NY. I'm a bulk hauler so I'm mt 50% of the miles. A lifting tag has a certain appeal, I think .
     
  10. PeteSalesGuy

    PeteSalesGuy Light Load Member

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    I don't see why not. The air suspensions that Peterbilt installs on the 6x2 configs do not have a "lift axle" setup. To lift the axle will require installation of a valve in the air to the rear bags. You then "drop" the suspension, chain the axle up and re-inflate the first drive bags to get the dead axle off the ground. The other option is to use a tag axle setup like a heavy haul with lift capability but then you are using the tag axle manufacturer suspension so no low air leaf or air trac, etc. will be on the lift axle. With that type of steup the ride will not be as good as the low air leaf ride would be.
     
  11. Oram

    Oram Medium Load Member

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    Thank you for the responses. I do not rally worry about the resale value, because in 15 years I will not get really anything for it anyway. If anything happen and need to be sold, I will hope there will be someone, who sees the science behind it. Other than the hope, I will have the Dana S23-190 drive axle with the S23-070 tag axle, which is convert able to traditional 6x4. Of course it cost a few thousand dollars, but always an option. Which is not there with the lift up axle. Also some States, if I know well, have different weight limit on lift axles, and with the rolling tag is same as a traditional tandem. Finally, I work for trucking companies who hire O/O with tandem axle and I do not want to fight with the recruiters to explain things.
     
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