3408 problems

Discussion in 'Peterbilt Forum' started by Jacob-3408, May 18, 2019.

  1. Jacob-3408

    Jacob-3408 Bobtail Member

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    I have a 1986 3408 motor it only starts on ether, a lot of ether. After I get it started it runs just barely enough to be able to work. Once it gets bogged down it stalls out. It only runs around full throttle if you try to idle it down it dies. It black smokes pretty bed even when not under a load



    First i changed all the filters then I thought I might be injector nozzles so I bought all 8 and changed 4 but it had no change.



    second I put a boost gauge on it and it was running only about 4 to 5 psi. I fixed every little exhaust leak and checked the turbo. The fins on both sides are in good shape and there wasn’t any play in the shaft. The motor has no blow by at all but without much boost it’s hard to tell.



    third I checked the injector timing and it was all in line



    I put a fuel gage on it to check the the transfer pump but it’s a two man job to start it so I haven’t been able to check it yet.



    I’m wondering if I’m on the right track the only other things I’ve been able to think of is the air fuel controller or the injector pump is shot
     
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  3. fast1buzz

    fast1buzz Light Load Member

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    Is this power unit in a truck or is it a stationary power unit? It sounds as if either one of two things are happening. First is the intake from where the air comes in the air cleaner to the turbo clear of obstructions. Second if attached to a piece of equipment is whatever its driving IE pumps, hydraulics or other attachment are they locking up holding the engine back. We need to know if this is in a truck or not.
     
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  4. fast1buzz

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    In addition to what I just posted I had moved an excavator about 300 miles mostly on the interstate at 65mph upon arrival at drop location had same problem couldn't get it to run. The rubber ring around the air cleaner stack had pushed up blocking the intake to the air cleaner stopping the air flow. The other incident happened in a truck I owned that had a Cat retarder. The valve that charges the retarder with oil had stuck in the on position. With the retarder fully ingauged it would not let the engine run.
     
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  5. Jacob-3408

    Jacob-3408 Bobtail Member

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    It’s in a wheel loader but turns over strong it doesn’t feel like it’s binding up on anything it’s on a 24 volt system. To update on the fuel pressure I ramped it up to full throttle and idled it down until it stalled and the last reading I got was around the 28-30 psi mark. I’ve pulled off the pipe to the turbo and tried to start it that way with no luck and it’s a non intercooled motor so after the turbo it goes straight into the valley.
     
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  6. Roberts450

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    Almost sounds like a lack of compression especially sense it takes a lot of ether to start and wont idle. Or something has failed in the transmission and the torque converter is draging the engine down.
     
  7. fast1buzz

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    I agree with Roberts450 lack of compression or torque converter problem either way unless you are a certified Caterpillar mechanic and have done this before ( I am a Certified Cat mechanic the loader you are working on is a 988B-C or D MODEL its the only one that used the 3408) If you call Cat repair or someone who knows and has the test instruments they should be able to tell you in minutes what the problem is IE engine or converter/trans
     
  8. Jacob-3408

    Jacob-3408 Bobtail Member

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    I was thinking I could be the compression but it has no blow by from what I can tell. If it was low enough to keep it from starting I figure it would be really noticeable and do they make a tool to go into the injector port to test compression.

    But if the torque converter is dragging is there anyway to test that without the cat test instruments.
     
  9. fast1buzz

    fast1buzz Light Load Member

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    That is the problem the pieces or tools you need are made by Cat. They can be purchased but are quite expensive to buy for one job you may never do again. In the long run its cost efficient to have a Cat repair person come to your location and do the diagnostics and repair because there are other special tools that are used in the convertor or engine repair as well. Its just easier and cheaper to call and have them do it. You also get a warranty when its done that way.
     
  10. fast1buzz

    fast1buzz Light Load Member

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    Have you check the hydraulic pumps on the back of the engine they will lock the engine the same way if one of the control valves is on and dead heading the pump. Check all the thumb switchs on the controls in the cab and unplug them to check it. It would be a cheap and easy fix if that were the problem.
     
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  11. Oxbow

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    Make sure the bucket lift or tilt isn't locked in the detent. We fought a 980 for a few minutes that the operator had killed it with the bucket lift locked in. It would turn over just fine, but not quite enough for it to start.
     
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