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26,000 lb. Regulations

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Dino soar, Dec 8, 2017.

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  1. Dec 8, 2017 #1
    Dino soar

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    I have a 26000 pound truck and a 10000 pound trailer. This combination will travel through Pennsylvania and at least New Jersey and Delaware.

    Can someone explain to me what I need to legally be able to operate this truck and trailer in at least those three states?

    This is a Not For Hire truck. I am hauling my own equipment and parts, some for resale later.

    Is there a minimum level of insurance for using this combination intrastate? Logbook, medical card, DOT number, apportioned tags? Authority, dvir, fuel tax?


    Thx.
     
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  3. Dec 8, 2017 #2
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    BigBob410

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    Do you have a class A?? That would be first on the list. Not trying to be smart...just curious.
     
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    Dino soar

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    I do have a class A, but isn't a 26000 pound truck pulling a 10000 pound trailer a non CDL setup?
     
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  7. Dec 9, 2017 #5
    BigBob410

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    Any combination 26,001 or more requires an A. Unless there is some sort of exemption I don't know about...
     
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  8. Dec 9, 2017 #6
    Dino soar

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    My understanding is 26001GVW lb truck is CDL. Under 26001 pounds is non CDL.

    A 10001 GVW lb trailer is CDL. Under 10,001 lb is non CDL.

    A 26,000 lb truck with a 10,000 lb trailer is non cdl.

    What am I missing?
     
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  9. Dec 9, 2017 #7
    ZVar

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    Nothing. You are correct you do not need a cdl for that setup.
    You will need to follow logging rules and a med card as those are needed for trucks over 10k. As for what else I'm not sure.
     
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    BigBob410

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    Class A: Any combination of vehicles which has a gross combination weight rating or gross combination weight of11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) whichever is greater, inclusive of a towed unit(s) with a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds)
    I don't know maybe I am misreading something or it's late and I'm not comprehending. But this is pasted from Fmcsa. 26000+10000= a combo of 30,000 right?
     
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    x1Heavy

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    GROSS COMBINATION VEHICLE WEIGHT your 26000 pound plus 10,000 exceeds 26001 GCVW and is a Class A combination vehicle.

    IF it has airbrakes (And usually do...) you need air brakes endorsement.

    If it is not for hire, make sure you own whatever you put on that trailer outright and NOT FOR HIRE.

    And thus it is a CDL vehicle.

    You might be able to sign a affidavit to swear before the State that you are a Tier two, not engaged in interstate or intrastate commerce. And thus you cannot be paid to haul loads for other people.
     
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  12. Dec 9, 2017 #10
    Dino soar

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    Here is the regulation.

    A CDL is required with any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight ratio of 26001 lb providing that the gross vehicle weight rating of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.

    That sounds to me that they're saying a 26000 pound truck with a 10000 pound trailer is non CDL. If the towed vehicle is over 10,000 pounds then you would have a CDL vehicle.
     
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