2011 KW T660 or 2011 Freightliner Cascadia for OTR?

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by JazzTX, Feb 10, 2014.

  1. JazzTX

    JazzTX Light Load Member

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    Hello everyone, I am going to need to buy another truck in the next 1-3 days.
    So it's between the following two trucks:

    2011/2012 Kenworth T660 Cummins ISX15 455/485 HP, 13 speed

    Or

    2011 Freightliner Cascadia with def, DD15 450 or 475 HP, 10 speed (13 speeds are rare, can't find one for a reasonable price that also has DEF)

    BTW, this truck is for my dad. Here are my following priorites:

    1. FUEL MPG
    2. Maintenance/Repair costs

    Both of these trucks are in almost the same price range, with the KW slightly higher. I do understand that the KW will hold it's value more 5 years later than the Freightliner, but also the Detroit parts will be much cheaper than Cummins if I need to make any repairs to the motor.

    This truck will be used to haul refrigerated goods mainly from California to Texas on a 53' Reefer trailer.

    What ya'll think? I do want a DEF truck, do not want to deal with DPF Filter as I know some people having major issues with them. What ya'll think about getting a 2011 truck with DEF? That was the first year DEF was introduced (althought there are some 2011 trucks without DEF.) Any issues with 2011 trucks with DEF?


    I would greatly appreciate all of your help!
     
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  3. Balakov100

    Balakov100 Road Train Member

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    DEF Trucks still have DPFs also.
     
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  4. Sonny Pruitt

    Sonny Pruitt Light Load Member

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    Kenworth isn't what Kenworth used to be.

    I've had KW and FTL, and the FTL seem to be better designed and built. I've had pieces of the interior come off the walls in the KW hitting potholes, and was run off the road in the Freightliner but everything held together.

    Bottom line, drive them both, and buy the one that seems the best. Don't be surprised if it's the FTL.
     
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  5. WitchingHour

    WitchingHour Road Train Member

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    The Kenworth T660 is the mainstay of our company's fleet. All in all, I'd rate them "fair"... however, I don't drive them... I turn wrenches on them. As far as DPF and DEF service, the components are pretty easy to get to on the T660 with the Cummins... cleaning a dosing injector is about a 15 minute process (whereas it's much more difficult with the PACCAR engine), DPF and DEF doser... not exactly a cakewalk, but fairly accessible.
    Never worked on the Cascadia.
    As stated above, the DEF trucks still have DPF and SCR. The exhaust goes through the DPF, through a crossover to the DEF dosing unit, then through the SCR, then out the end of the exhaust pipe.
    DPF outlets are prone to cracking. I'd recommend you buy a couple DPF filters and a portable DPF cleaner (and an air compressor if you don't already have one). Other than that, the FL will have the better field of view... that's been my experience with FL trucks (I was, after all, a driver for over a decade before I started wrenching)... replacing windshields on the T660 with their split windshields is a very easy task... I'd imagine more the same with the FL.
    That's about all I can really tell you.
     
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  6. jsprocket

    jsprocket Heavy Load Member

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    Don't get t660. Very small on inside we run both and I'm in a t660, Cascadia has so much more room and I'm 6'4 240 and it is a pain to move around. Shifter so close to seat and so narrow up front always get foot stuck in between shifter and seat trying to get into seat.
     
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  7. jsprocket

    jsprocket Heavy Load Member

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    I get around 6.7 mpg hauling average 44000 pounds cruising 64.6 which is all I can do lol
     
  8. JazzTX

    JazzTX Light Load Member

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    I appreciate everyone's response!

    @balkov100: Yes, I know the DEF trucks have DPF but what I meant was that I know people that are having bunch of issues with their trucks that just have DPF alone. In particular the Cummins & CAT guys with the DPF. Thank you for your response!

    @Sonny Pruitt: Yes, I have driven them both. I can honestly say, I do like the KW better, but it's because of the looks. As far as the reliability/maintenance I am leaning towards the Cascadia because of the DD15. I had bunch of issues in the past with Cummins ISX engines (2006 EGR Engines). Thanks for your response!

    @WitchingHour: Thanks for the advice, I will definitely get a portable cleaner. Thanks for your response!

    @jsprocket: Yes, I did observe the bigger room in the Cascadia. What year is the t660? What type of Aerodynamics on tractor/trailer? 6.7 is pretty good, I wonder what that figure will be at 70mph. Thanks for your response!


    Does anyone know if the first year of trucks that had DEF had any issues?
    Should I spend the extra 15-20k on a truck with DEF?

    If I don't get DEF, it will definitely be a 2010 Cascadia (2009 DD15 with DPF)
    Based on conversations with some drivers that have been driving for a few decades, couple different mechanics, and conversations with the dealers, it seems like Detroit had the whole thing figured out before anyone else as far as the whole DPF by itself goes...
     
  9. Sonny Pruitt

    Sonny Pruitt Light Load Member

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    You're INSIDE the truck, the looks don't matter. Quiet is good. Room is good. Power is good. Chrome won't get you home!

    A tractor is just a POWER TOOL. It has one purpose -- to help make you money. The only time you will see what the truck looks like is when you're not making money.

    The one place to indulge yourself is selecting the seat you'll spend as much as 70 hours a week in. Comfort there is a top priority.

    I've seen guys buy the fanciest POS (*cough*cough*Peterbilt*cough*) then drop another $50,000 on vanity junk, paint and chrome, then they wonder why they're not making any money with all the miles they drive. I bought an FLD 120 cheap, didn't put a penny into it other than maintenance, fuel, and an inverter to run my microwave and my rice cooker, and at the end of the first year I paid cash for a house.
     
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  10. full speed

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    I've never ran a def truck since they been implemented. DPF is all I've ever known since they were created.

    Anyways DPF has done me well with the exception of a few times, wene I ran local. That being said, I couldnt get enough miliage to get the filter hot enough to clean it's self out.

    You should be ok running OTR especially in the warmer climants down south. I only had to regen a a few times running in extremelly cold weather, or wene I idled the truck for a good amount of time.

    Other than that. The DPF has done me good.

    Ther is one thing, I had a some power generating problems with my Centry Class in extreme cold conditions . It kinda felt like injector trouble. But wene day light warmth kicked in, it returned to normal.I would assume the Cascadia would be the same.

    I've ran two differant Pro Stars for the last 3 years, both have done me well. Both being DPF. Before that it always been Freight shakers. Two of them being DpF as well.
    Sorry to get off topic.

    Under normal operating within the last 4 years, I think I had to regen a few times running OTR. It'd be good not to idle the truck to much, as it causes build up in the filter.

    I would say a 50-80 miles at high way speed would clean out. Youd just haft keep the idle down and outside of extremelly cold weather you probably be fine.
     
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  11. JazzTX

    JazzTX Light Load Member

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    @SonnyPruitt: Yes, I totally agree with you! What I meant to say is, with the looks, and overall 5 years later KW will have a better resale value than the Freightliner. By the way, I am not a chrome person. :) Thanks for your reply!

    @full speed: Thanks for your response!
     
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