2011 Cascadia DD15 with EGR, DPF, and SCR

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by Paddletrucker, Nov 30, 2010.

  1. Pablo-UA

    Pablo-UA Road Train Member

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    New engines ECM are with torq.limiting at engine speed, manufacter consider not optimal. They do it not only for fuel economy, but to reduce engine wear inside. It makes you shift down more and save fuel and engine. I'm lazy too, and I love more powerfull engines for less shifting, but manufacter think - more shifting is better....
     
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  3. That's interesting. The shop I rent from here told me the exact opposite. They said they don't derate the engines, just limit the speed. Maybe that's why they run like crap, every shop is doing something different.

    Last night, under a heavy load, the DD15 was hilarious. This is what passes for an engine these days? I can't wait for the next guy from a mega company to tell me what a powerhouse this POS is.

    Oh, and if they are derating the HP for fuel mileage, they FAILED!! I ran as easy as I could and never made it to 65 and this green marvel of an Al Gore wet dream with all of it's ugly azzed aerodynamics, EGR, DPF, and SCR bull excrement ruining it's performance turned in an impressive 5.4 mpg at the fuel pump this morning! Oh and add another 15 bucks worth of diesel exhaust fluid that I poured into the little side tank under the driver's door. Did that while pretending to have a global warming alarmist from CARB strapped in a chair, forcibly pouring this crap down his gullet!:biggrin_25516:

    It's amazing to me that my old 96 FLD with 1.6 million miles on it and a meager 350hp will outperform this new truck, get better fuel mileage, I'm certain go further between overhauls, and cost way less than any of these new green machines. Way to ruin an industry, global warming nut jobs!

    Stupid solutions thought up by idiotic hippie people to problems that don't exist. And folks ask me why I tore CA out of my Atlas.:biggrin_2559:
     
  4. josh.c

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    I'd like to know what the emissions per mile with your Cat looks like VS the DD15. Obviously, the DD15 is putting out more of something, and I bet it's not just air.
     
  5. jd2210

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    I can't speak for anyone else but for me it's actually getting to the point where I'm cheaper to maintain my old trucks than my new one. I have only 1 in my fleet that has a DPF and it will be a frosty day in hell before I get another one. That piece of garbage has been trouble from day one. Last winter my 97 had less down days than my 09.

    I run a strong maint program and you have to keep up on items like leaks etc. The new trucks are heavier, built weaker to accomodate for all the environmental garbage, have backpressure up the wazoo and when there is a problem I'm a guaranteed tow call to the dealer because I can't diagnose anything anymore. I wasn't happy with EGR's when they came out in 04 and my post EGR trucks have not been as good as my pre-egrs. The twin Turbo Cat I owned almost broke me. When the DPF came out I thought "well I need to upgrade some of fleet sooner or later" and I wish now that I had glidered it like I was going to. The last truck I bought was a 93 with a 425 mechanical and it hasn't missed a beat in 100,000 bush miles so far. I look at it this way: there is a zero percent chance that the EGR,DPF or SCR develop a problem on my trucks that don't have them.
     
  6. CaliforniaOvernight

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    Basicly, all your concerns about driving old truck coming from living in communist reality.

    All those inspectors are being paid from your own, high taxes and a have good living when doing nothing (compared to the guy who they are trying to nail for working too hard). Thats how you are getting more lazy people every day, just by watching them "chosen" federal/state employees fooling around. Its a very good demotivator

    Same with highway-tolls or sales breaks, the money is simply taken from the guys sweating to defend their families from poverty, driving old trucks - and given to big, communist outfits which are buying thousands new trucks which they will be paid for fully anyway. Because commies also run all the centralized banking and they "help" each other getting a loan (i.e. quantiatvie easing) and staying afloat forever.

    Then we have those mechanics who charging 10x more than should, well that's because big fleets aren't able to figure out what needs to be done to the truck on the road, since the driver they had hired is wheel-holder only and any sort of knowledge on his part isn't even remotely required. It's actually better for them to hire dummies. So they all eat the high costs and wanna run new trucks under warranties only.





    All this is supposed to making it IMPOSSIBLE for single guy like you to buy your own truck in any way, new or old. Under communist regime you are not allowed to own anything, because you would be able to compete with them commies and be extremely dangerous to them. Because they are complete, inefficient idiots. And they want to keep it secret. Get it?:biggrin_25516:
     
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  7. Pablo-UA

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    In Europe more company trucks then in USA. In Ukraine about 20% of trucks are drown by Owners. All other are company trucks.

    Well, about the emissions in comunist USSR. for diesel engines there was smoke limit only. And road trains were allowed. But USSR was very militarized cpuntry and they offered military trucks for road use. You understand why they thought nothing about emissions.....

    Now there are lenth and weight limits. we can not haul more 36t (legally) and longer 20m semis. No road trains.
     
  8. 98989

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    I agree with a good part of this all except this , before 1991 my country was part of Yugoslavia and we had socialism but light version you were allowed to travel to buy foreign-product
    ....and during that you will not allowed to had more than one truck.....but from that one truck you was able to live very very good my father had
    enough money to buy very very good German truck ( not some bad product)-and you need to pay to country amount of how much it costs truck so truck cost you double..... had always a new BMW , had 2 houses and a lot of land, had driver ( yes it was possible to pay him good), also my father was always be near construction site ( he had construction truck ) and sleeping in hotels not in cab ( both for him and driver ) eat in restaurants not like today , and whole night drinking with singers ( it was some kind of tradition here that each hotel have it own club/restaurants/bar and that is always some singer )

    also he traveled a lot over the world almost all Europe, US, Africa, Middle East and Australia.....

    in that time there was some people who already had one truck and ....they open company on other man and pay him
    health insurance, pension fund,pay for his education, and driver's license , give him some money monthly pay driver and still have some earnings. Although it brings risks ( they can put you in to prison and seizures truck it was still cost-effective....

    owner operator
    will soon disappear at least here large companies operate at low prices .There is a lot of corruption ,cheating and all possible kind of extermination of "middle class people"

    ( you go on building site and refuel and they did not give you more than 60-100L( you dont have enogh money for fuel and dont want to risk that someone does not pay and they sell fuel to me as 1.37€/1L~1.85-2$ fo 1L and 7-7.55$/gallon i dont know exactly ) -they dont want you to fill fuel and drive for others )
    and for that fuel you need sometimes wait even for two days in cab and prices are so low for example

    on last 3 jobs
    we make the contract
    that they will pay to me by m3 ( ground ) but in Bulk state ........and that price is already to low but then they forge contract and pay me as in solid state so from 15m3( i load that) they pay me only 9m3 and they cheat on tax usually is implies that is price without tax (tax go to stare not to me ) and they made fake contract on which is tax included

    just for
    illustration on one job i worked on it now 1month price is too low that i am now in loan to the employer for 3000€(YES I HAVE TO PAY HIM ,NOT AS IN NORMAL CASES ) because of fuel and low price

    and we had 3jobs like that in last month

    it seems that one day we all become slaves of big companys

    I am aware that this YU system could not long survive The Cold War is gone and we had no more live on power struggle from West and East ( my english knowledge is not enough to better explain this but I hope you will understand)


     
  9. Just talked to a guy who's a grey haired Detroit tech. and he told me the DD15 will get better mileage after the break in period. He said that thing won't get much on the mileage until 80 or 90 thousand. I just turned this rental in with 31,689 miles on it.

    I asked about the lack of power and his quote was, "Nobody knows what's going on with these things. They're not letting us get one system figured out before they mandate that we add a new mystery on top of that." He agreed with me when I said that engine looked like a nightmare in the maintenance dept. He told me to just wait until all that crap starts wearing out and telling the ECM to do crazy things.

    He said some of them are running great, others....not so much. As for the particulates and pollution, I try to keep my old truck running good, but I'm sure she belches a little more crud than this new engine. I know I'm using less fuel, though.

    Anybody ever figure the so called "carbon foot print" that building all these DPF, EGR, and SCR systems leave? What about the "carbon foot print" of making the DEF?

    I've been convinced for a long time that the whole myth of global warming was done simply to line the pockets of a very select few. Too bad so many morons have bought into it that it's eventually going to ruin our whole #### world if people don't wake up and tell people like Al Gore, and all of CARB, and whoever else has been brain washed into that misguided and non-scientific way of thinking, to sit down and shut the hell up.
     
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  10. Pablo-UA

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    Anybody ever figure the so called "carbon foot print" that building all these DPF, EGR, and SCR systems leave? What about the "carbon foot print" of making the DEF?

    I dont belive this myth too. Especially after the last winter.

    I dont belive if air temperature be higher and arctic ice will be melting ocean water will flood all! Evaporating from ocean surface will be massive and seems to me water level may be lower!!!

    the only thing I belive, that SCR, DEF saves driver's health. it may be truth, especially driving in tunnels.
     
  11. yarddogmbw

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    Just an update on our 3 new trucks. 2nd day we had it and the check engine light is on. Penske can't figure out what's wrong with it. I guess 2 out of three isn't bad.
     
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